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Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by johntash »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #68
achillean wrote: post #4

Already seeing some of the new Moltbot deployments exposed to the Internet: https://www.shodan.io/search/report?query=http.favicon.hash%...

Maybe those folks buying Mac Minis to host at home weren't so silly after all. The exposed ones are almost all hosted on VPSs which, by design, have publicly-routable IP addresses. But anyway I think connecting to a Clawdbot instance requires pairing unless you're coming from localhost: https://docs.molt.bot/start/pairing

depending on how you set up the reverse proxy, clawdbot can think _all_ traffic comes from localhost

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by theshrike79 »

kaycey2022 wrote: post #156
putlake wrote: post #9

The way trademarks work is that if you don't actively defend them you weaken your rights. So Anthropic needs to defend their ownership of "Claude". I'm guessing they reached out to Peter Steinberger and asked nicely that he rename Clawdbot.

Of course Anthropic has the most obnoxious legal team of all the ai companies. The project got traction under the older name. A name change does hurt the project.

It's not about obnoxiousness or morality.

They HAVE to defend their trademark or they'll lose it by default.

The law pretty much goes "if you don't care about it, you don't need it anymore".

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by chrisjj »

manmal wrote: post #82
ed wrote: post #20

A bit OT but why is moltbot so much more popular than the many personal agents that have been around for a while?

- Peter has spent the last year building up a large assortment of CLIs to integrate with. He‘s also a VERY good iOS and macOS engineer so he single handedly gave clawd capabilities like controlling macOS and writing iMessages. - Leaning heavily on the SOUL.md makes the agents way funnier to interact with. Early clawdbot had me laugh to tears a couple times, with its self-deprecating humor and threatening to play Nick…

> He‘s also a VERY good iOS and macOS engineer so he single handedly gave clawd capabilities like controlling macOS

Surely a very good engineer would not be so foolish.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by chrisjj »

runjake wrote: post #26
VadimPR wrote: post #23

Is the app legitimate though? A few of these apps that deal with LLMs seem too good to be true and end up asking for suspiciously powerful API tokens in my experience (looking at Happy Coder).

It's legitimate, but its also extremely powerful and people tend to run it in very insecure ways or ways where their computer is wiped. Numerous examples and stories on X. I used it for a bit, but it burned through tokens (even after the token fix) and it uses tokens for stuff that could be handled by if/then statements and APIs without burning a ton of tokens. But it's a very neat and imperfect glimpse at the future…

> It's legitimate

How do you know?

> it burned through tokens (even after the token fix) and it uses tokens for stuff that could be handled by if/then statements and APIs without burning a ton of tokens.

Sponsored by the token seller, perhaps?

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by dgunay »

simianwords wrote: post #97
simonw wrote: post #25

This project terrifies me. On the one hand it really is very cool, and a lot of people are reporting great results using it. It helped someone negotiate with car dealers to buy a car! https://aaronstuyvenberg.com/posts/clawd-bought-a-car But it's an absolute perfect storm for prompt injection and lethal trifecta attacks: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ People are hooking this thing up to Te…

In theory, the models have done alignment training to not do something malicious. Can you get it to do something malicious? I'm not saying it is not unsafe, but the extent matters. I would like to see a reproduceable example.

I ran an experiment at work where I was able to adversarially prompt inject a Yolo mode code review agent into approving a pr just by editing the project's AGENTS.md in the pr. A contrived example (obviously the solution is to not give a bot approval power) but people are running Yolo agents connected to the internet with a lot of authority. It's very difficult to know exactly what the model will consider malicious or not.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by SyneRyder »

jug wrote: post #125
smeej wrote: post #69

When I first saw this, my thought was, "Wow, I'm surprised Anthropic hasn't pushed back on their calling it that. They must not know about it yet." Glad to know my own internal prediction engine still works.

Surprised they didn't just try Clawbot first. I can see the case against "Clawd" (I mean; seriously...) but claws are a different matter IMHO, with that mascot and all.

It's probably still a bit too close. "Claw'd" might actually be a trademark of Anthropic now. The character and name originates from this Claude Sonnet 3.5 advertisement in June 2024, promoting the launch of the Artifacts feature by building an 8-bit game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHqk0ZGb6qo

"Have the crab jump up and over oncoming seashells... I think I want to name this crab... Claw'd."

Also, if you haven't found it hidden in Claude Code yet, there's a secret way to buy Clawd merch from Anthropic. Still waiting on them to make a Clawd plushie, though.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by manmal »

VadimPR wrote: post #187
manmal wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don’t you try it, it’s 2 minutes to setup (or tell Claude to do it), and it uses your CC Max sub if you want. Some advantages: - Faster because it does no extra Haiku inference for every prompt (Anthropic does this for safety it seems) - Extensions & skills can be hot reloaded. Pi is aware of its own docs so you just tell it „build an extension that does this and that“. Things like sub agents or chains of sub age…

Using your CC Max account for this seems like a good way to get your account banned, as it's against the ToS and Anthropic has started enforcing this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only legal way to use pi is to use an API, and that's enormously expensive.

Sure, I'm not using it with my company/enterprise account for that reason. But for my private sub, it's worth the tradeoff/risk. Ethically I see no issue at all, because those LLMs are trained on who knows what.

But you can use pi with z.ai or any of the other cheap Claude-distilled providers for a couple bucks per month. Just calculate the risk that your data might be sold I guess?

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by manmal »

chrisjj wrote: post #193
manmal wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Peter has spent the last year building up a large assortment of CLIs to integrate with. He‘s also a VERY good iOS and macOS engineer so he single handedly gave clawd capabilities like controlling macOS and writing iMessages. - Leaning heavily on the SOUL.md makes the agents way funnier to interact with. Early clawdbot had me laugh to tears a couple times, with its self-deprecating humor and threatening to play Nick…

> He‘s also a VERY good iOS and macOS engineer so he single handedly gave clawd capabilities like controlling macOS Surely a very good engineer would not be so foolish.

Problem of definition, you're conflating good with cautious, I would not.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by manmal »

saberience wrote: post #132
manmal wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Peter has spent the last year building up a large assortment of CLIs to integrate with. He‘s also a VERY good iOS and macOS engineer so he single handedly gave clawd capabilities like controlling macOS and writing iMessages. - Leaning heavily on the SOUL.md makes the agents way funnier to interact with. Early clawdbot had me laugh to tears a couple times, with its self-deprecating humor and threatening to play Nick…

It’s vibe coded slop that could be made by anyone with Claude Code and a spare weekend. It didn’t require any skill, it’s all written by Claude. I’m not sure why you’re trying to hype up this guy, if he didn’t have Claude he couldn’t have made this, just like non engineers all over the world are coding all a variety of shit right now.

Weekend - certainly not, the scope is massive. All those CLIs - gmail, whisper, elevenlabs, whatsapp/telegram/discord/etc, obsidian, generic skills marketplace etc, it's just so many separate APIs to build against.

But Peter just said in his TBPN interview that you can likely re-build all that in 1 month. Maybe you'd need to work 14h per day like he does, and running 10 codex sessions in parallel, using 4-6 OpenAI Pro subs.

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