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Post by footy »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #150
footy wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

most people are more than one thing.

Are they now? If so, where is the carefully nuance bio of Good? Why do I get choreographed and weirdly aligned responses from various online profiles ( my 'observer' note )? The answer is obvious: there are points to be made by strategically aligning her verious 'more than one thing' portions of persona to match a narrative, which, but I repeat myself, is very, very tiring.

> where is the carefully nuance bio of Good?

I don't know, I don't think it's normally assumed that when someone dies (or more to the point is murdered) in a very public way we all immediately deserve to know every thing about them.

I don't know what you're talking about really. What I mean to say is the rest of this comment is incoherent to me.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

noncoml wrote: post #83
ActorNightly wrote: post #67

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Hate to break it to you, but people just simply dont care as much as you think they do. We have the right to own firearms for the purposes of protecting us against tyrany, but thats pointless when we cant even realize tyrany right outside our door.

This shows how flawed the idea is that individual gun ownership protects people from a rogue government. Acting alone with a firearm does not stop tyranny. It only leads to prison or worse. Real resistance to authoritarianism has never come from isolated individuals using violence. It requires organized collective action where people stand together and refuse to comply. History shows that meaningful resistance often…

> History shows that meaningful resistance often begins with simple nonviolent acts like refusing unjust rules or asserting basic dignity rather than a lone person reaching for a gun.

I'm having trouble coming up with many recent examples where non-state resistance to authoritarianism succeeded in defeating it, regardless of method. Myanmar? Hong Kong? Xinjiang? Iran? North Korea?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by noncoml »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #192
noncoml wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shows how flawed the idea is that individual gun ownership protects people from a rogue government. Acting alone with a firearm does not stop tyranny. It only leads to prison or worse. Real resistance to authoritarianism has never come from isolated individuals using violence. It requires organized collective action where people stand together and refuse to comply. History shows that meaningful resistance often…

> History shows that meaningful resistance often begins with simple nonviolent acts like refusing unjust rules or asserting basic dignity rather than a lone person reaching for a gun. I'm having trouble coming up with many recent examples where non-state resistance to authoritarianism succeeded in defeating it, regardless of method. Myanmar? Hong Kong? Xinjiang? Iran? North Korea?

Rosa Parks?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by pklausler »

daheza wrote: post #22
icameron wrote: post #20

When I first heard the advice to ditch your phone when you go a protest, I thought maybe that's a little extreme. But it's a real threat. We already knew post Snowden there is an extensive big brother apparatus. We saw post 911 that all rights can be taken away in the name of counter-terrorism. Now with a government that's operating outside the law and labeling peaceful protesters as terrorists, I don't think we can…

If we all ditch our phones then how will we record the abuses of power?

Disposable film cameras and FRS walkie-talkies, I think.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by mmmlinux »

Shalomboy wrote: post #132
mmmlinux wrote: post #122

Why isn't any one independently using this same information to track ICE officers? I'm sure they all carry phones.

Well first off, it is very expensive. Vendors that supply to DHS and DOD have to be selective about who they sell their services to as well. Citizen-developed services to track ICE are routinely shut down by Apple and Google.

So make a real website and not an App.

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Post by goatlover »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #185
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #170

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What's infuriating is that you are acting as an agent of the government, defending their murder of a random citizen, but perceive yourself and frame yourself as a dispassionate observer who's interested in the media dynamics of how different descriptors get attached to people. I don't know if you started off like this, or if you're so deep in DHS propaganda that you can't find your way out, and right now I don't care…

The difference between us that I know exactly what ( and even why ) I advocate for: keeping the system stable. She was a not some random citizen; I would have been addressing it differently if that was the case. Now, if you have a stomach for it, we can go over what kind of citizen she was.

Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie.

Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

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Post by goatlover »

newfriend wrote: post #96
cdrnsf wrote: post #66

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Immigration can be enforced without murdering, gassing and viciously assaulting bystanders. Never mind the violations of human rights (like sending deportees to hellholes like CECOT), lying about citizen observers and continually having lawsuits tossed by grand juries. It's a rogue agency with no accountability that will continue to cause untold harm while making everyone less safe.

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What criminals are being allowed to persist and flourish? You're repeating propaganda from people who don't like immigrants of the wrong skin color.

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Post by goatlover »

blell wrote: post #129
newfriend wrote: post #96

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There's always been immigration and periodically it leads to scare mongering by people who don't like certain kinds of immigrants in their countries. Humans have migrated across the planet for tens of thousands of years.

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Post by goatlover »

blell wrote: post #129
newfriend wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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There's always been immigration and periodically it leads to scare mongering by people who don't like certain kinds of immigrants in their countries. Humans have migrated across the planet for tens of thousands of years. There's nothing new about this.

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Post by thrance »

silisili wrote: post #17
phillipcarter wrote: post #3

The most maximally vindictive candidates are earning my votes in the coming election.

> most maximally vindictive candidates I think that's how we got to this point today, tbh.

Quite the opposite actually. Democrats have been so complacent with the proto-fascists for so long, that republicans will now justify murdering a mother in broad daylight, filmed under 3 angles clearly showing she is fearing for her life. The solution to fascism is not compromise and weakness.
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