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Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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Post by awesome_dude »

HKH2 wrote: post #180
eviks wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So following that strange logic if a dumb person knows he's dumb, he's suddenly become intelligent? Or is that impossible by your peculiar definition of intelligence?

Yeah that sounds like wisdom, not intelligence.

Wisdom would be knowing not to try and exceed those limits

Intelligence would be knowing they exist (I know that I cannot fly by flapping my arms, it took intelligence to deduce that, wisdom tells me not to try and jump from a height and flap my arms to fly. Further intelligence can be applied, deducing that there are artificial means by which I can attain flight)

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sneak wrote: post #186
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its exactly equivalent to a dictatorship by the head of the CIA No it's not. I can commit all manner of illegal acts in my home unnoticed, that doesn't make me a dictator.

The CIA ran torture prisons, got caught, then there was a congressional inquiry, and they hacked into the computers of the congresspeople to delete the evidence of torture. Then they got caught hacking congressional computers to delete evidence. Nothing happened to them. They are above the law. You are not.

> CIA ran torture prisons, got caught, then there was a congressional inquiry, and they hacked into the computers of the congresspeople to delete the evidence of torture

One, source?

Two, this above reproach. Not above the law. They deleted the evidence, they didn't just blow the scandal off. (Historically, our IC was popular. Right now, it's the deep state. You're seeing political appointees at the FBI and CIA exert control.)

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Post by consz »

pppppiiiiiuuuuu wrote: post #181
cyberax wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not a 1A guy, I think that for inference people with a history of domestic violence shouldn't be armed Whut? How the fuck did you make that jump? AR-15 rifles are useless for hunting. They are too small to reliably kill large game (deer) and too large for small game (rabbits). Sure, they're fine for coyotes, but if you're buying an AR-15 to hunt coyotes, then you should just stop. AR-15s are also useless for se…

The domestic violence thing was about a potential gun regulation, not a scenario. People with domestic violence convictions are overrepresented among murderers and mass shooters. So it would make sense to prevent them from obtaining guns. It's useless for hunting, but you identify circumstances it's useful in. You say it's useless for self defense because it's bulky, I've heard a hundred people say it's ideal because…

I think you may have very differing views of what "self-defense" situations you and the other poster are talking about.

Could you describe a specific scenario one of those hundred people might be imagining?

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

eviks wrote: post #157
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this type of redaction eliminates the possibility to change text length This is the only weakness of Barr's method. > it doesn't eliminate the risk of non-redaction since you can't simply search&replace with machine precision Anyong relying on automated tools to redact is doing so performatively. At the end of the day, you need people who understand the context to sit down and read through the documents and strike…

> This is the only weakness of Barr's method. Of course it isn't, the other weakness you just dismiss is the higher risk of failed searches. People already fail with digital, it's even harder to do in print or translate digital to print (something a machine can do with 100% precision, now you've introduced a human error) > At the end of the day, you need people who understand the context Before the end of the day the…

> something a machine can do with 100% precision

Forget about typoes. Until recent LLMs, machines couldn't detect oblique or identifying references. (And with LLMs, you still have the problem of hallucinations. To say nothing of where you're running the model.)

> if you have to waste the attention of such people on doing ink redactions instead of dedicating all of their time to focused reading

You've never read a text with a highlighter or pen?

Out of curiosity, have you worked with sensitive information that needed to be shared across security barriers?

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Post by red75prime »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #184

Stupid question: why is the government even allowed to redact stuff? Isn’t the government keeping secrets from the people totally antithetical to democracy?

It's not the government, it's the department of justice. To name two: protection of witnesses, protection of state secrets ("the people" is not a person who can keep secrets).

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

eviks wrote: post #152
fc417fc802 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. It's a procedure that's very difficult to unintentionally screw up. Sometimes that's what you want. > you can't simply search&replace with machine precision Sure you can. Search and somehow mark the text (underline or similar) to make keywords hard to miss. Then proceed with the manual print, expunge, scan process.

You process doesn't make sense, why wouldn't you just black box redact right away and print and scan? What does underline then ink give you? But it's also not the process described in the blog > that's very difficult to unintentionally screw up. You've already screwed up by leaking length and risking errors in manual search&replace

> why wouldn't you just black box redact right away and print and scan? What does underline then ink give you?

These are roughly equivalent. The point is having a hard copy in between the digital ones.

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Post by valleyer »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #128
digitaltrees wrote: post #106

Its not a hack to copy and paste text that is part of the document data. The incompetence of the people responsible to comply with the law doesnt mean its reasonable to label something a hack. Please change the title.

Not the only thing hack means now, or the most common usage anymore. See "life hack" - it means unexpected technique.

It's also the meaning used in the title of this very Web site.

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Post by poglet »

gjm11 wrote: post #177
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #172

There is a book by Richard Dawkins- I am me I am free or something like that, and it has a main picture of Richard standing naked and having a private part being covered by black rectangle but somehow my laptop back then was slow and when you scrolled it would temporary remove the square for a split second

Are you sure? I can't find any trace of any book by Richard Dawkins with a title much like that, and that doesn't seem like a very on-brand sort of cover pic for a book by him, and an image search for "Richard Dawkins book cover" doesn't turn up anything like it.

Most likely "I Am Me, I Am Free: The Robot's Guide to Freedom. - David Icke"

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Post by JKCalhoun »

hattmall wrote: post #124
bdangubic wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is the US exactly currently if not dictatorship? is there a single thing “President” cannot do right now and if so who would be stopping him? so perhaps on paper US is not dictatorship much like Russia and China are not… We spend decades trying to fight these regimes and lost so much that now we are worse than them :)

It's pretty clear he can barely do anything policy wise. Limited tariffs and immigration / border stuff is pretty much all that he is getting done.

And killing so many sailors in South American waters.
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