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Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Absolutely no one said consumer computing was going away in 2005. What were they supposed to be replaced with?

What are they going to be replaced with now? You still can't do anything actually useful on a mobile device. You need an actual computer to get anything done besides dicking around playing games or scrolling through apps.

You might be shocked at how many people make big-ticket purchases and other "major" stuff on their phone.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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The web/webapps/mobile helped lead to this era of "desktop PCs" (to include laptops) where the browser mattered more than the OS. It allowed Apple to become resurgent in the desktop market because OS compatibility mattered less than ever. It's not weird that it led to Apple regaining _some_ market share because clearly there was demand for the Apple/MacOS/OS X experience that may have been tempered by incompatibility…

You mean alienate their desktop users by making chips specifically targeting them that are fast, run cool, quiet and have ridiculously long battery lives? You’ve seen much more frequent updates in the Mac line post ARM than you did in the Intel era.

Yeah, the hardware's been fantastic, but the OS has mostly treaded water with the occasional step backwards.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #14

The web/webapps/mobile helped lead to this era of "desktop PCs" (to include laptops) where the browser mattered more than the OS. It allowed Apple to become resurgent in the desktop market because OS compatibility mattered less than ever. It's not weird that it led to Apple regaining _some_ market share because clearly there was demand for the Apple/MacOS/OS X experience that may have been tempered by incompatibility…

As an Apple Stan, I don’t understand what you’re referring to. MacOS is light years ahead of Windows in so many arenas, I’m not really sure what you could be referring to when you say “stagnation”. Every OS ever released has issues at launch, not sure if that’s what you mean by “regression”. But man… windows has been garbage for the better part of 2 decades now.

I love the Mac, but the OS has gone nowhere in ages. I can't think of a new feature since APFS.

Have you _seen_ system preferences?

Insanely hostile permissions and "untrusted software" behavior.

Nobody seems to like Tahoe, but I can't really speak to it because I don't even want to install it.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #84

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> Microsoft has never been a consumer tech company. The Zune wasn't consumer tech? Windows 95 was definitely consumer tech. Windows XP was about making the Windows NT line accessible for home users going forward. Weirdly, Windows Phone was aimed at consumers at a time when they really could have leveraged integrations with products like Exchange and Office to stand out.

> Weirdly, Windows Phone was aimed at consumers at a time when they really could have leveraged integrations with products like Exchange and Office to stand out. This is because a completely under-appreciated apsect of the iPhone revolution was that it basically created the consumer smartphone market. Until then the only smartphone market that existed was the enterprise smartphone market, which was already locked up…

Before Andy Ruben created Android, he created the T-Mobile Sidekick, which was a Java based consumer smartphone before iOS or Android.

Microsoft acquired Rubin's company for a Billion dollars and then spent so long rewriting everything from Java into .Net (before releasing it as the Microsoft Kin Phone) that it was dead on arrival.

> The Kin ONE and TWO went on the market on May 14, 2010. Within two months, Verizon stopped selling the phones because of poor sales.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Kin

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #106

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> Since we're basically getting flying cars next year at the World Cup That's so funny. Regular people can't hahndle regular cars. Self-driving cars barely handle 2 dimensional space within very specific confines and rules, in good weather. Existing airspace is congested to the point of being problematic in most metro areas around the world. "Flying cars" might be replacing some private heliopters, maybe. But they ar…

I also don't really understand what's supposed to be the line between flying car and helicopter. Does the flying car need to also be street legal on the ground? Does it just not have to look too much like a helicopter?

I think it’s anything in the category of “way more common than a helicopter to the point where normal people use them”.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #106

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> Since we're basically getting flying cars next year at the World Cup That's so funny. Regular people can't hahndle regular cars. Self-driving cars barely handle 2 dimensional space within very specific confines and rules, in good weather. Existing airspace is congested to the point of being problematic in most metro areas around the world. "Flying cars" might be replacing some private heliopters, maybe. But they ar…

I also don't really understand what's supposed to be the line between flying car and helicopter. Does the flying car need to also be street legal on the ground? Does it just not have to look too much like a helicopter?

It needs to get through dense downtowns where there isn't much space between buildings, and wires and skyways to dodge as well. A skilled pilot could do it - but they wouldn't try because while space physically exists there isn't enough margin for error.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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What are they going to be replaced with now? You still can't do anything actually useful on a mobile device. You need an actual computer to get anything done besides dicking around playing games or scrolling through apps.

You might be shocked at how many people make big-ticket purchases and other "major" stuff on their phone.

8 years ago, we looked for our house, managed the loan process and all of the documents, signed all of the non in person paperwork, reviewed the options when he had our house built from our phones.

We did the same when we managed the selling process in 2024 and when we bought our current home in 2022.

We arranged a year long “digital nomad” series of trips where we flew to over a dozen cities including flights and hotels on our phones starting in 2022.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#198
The proliferation of cheap agenting tools integrating with every SDLC stage makes building open source software faster and cheaper, which decreases the competition barrier with Microsoft's deep pockets, and decrease older propietary software market value significantly.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #167

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VSCode starts up the same as any other IDE, and is responsive and snappy when using it. Explorer starts up about 100 times slower than any other file explorer, and is exceptionally while using it too.

Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE", vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome, not its ide features , and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, though I won't make up 10000 times, it's only around 10

>vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome

VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code

>Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE"

Why? VSCode is an example of a well-made product from MSFT, unlike Explorer.

>and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster,

What IDE with plugins starts faster? And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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post #93

> The only thing of note they have added to Windows in the last five years is Copilot That's a quite unfair take, especially when it fails to compare it with what things of note Linux distros have added over the last five years. Valve made Windows emulation better, yes. That's it. What else? Actually, I wouldn't even call Copilot a thing of note. It's just ChatGPT-in-a-popup at the moment. A real thing of note is WSL…

Another useful W11 feature (that later got backported to W10) is seamless integration with graphical Linux apps. You can just double click an icon on your desktop and it opens up in a window like any other app. Passkey support was added which made securely signing into site easier. Dev drive was added that makes it so building on windows is faster. Support for low latency Bluetooth was added.

> seamless integration with graphical Linux apps. You can just double click an icon on your desktop and it opens up in a window like any other app

You just described what Wine was able to do in Ubuntu since at least 2010

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