IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

Post by Larrikin » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #117

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Yes. https://developers.home.google.com/codelabs/matter-device

Can I sell it without paying a gazillion fees? Spoiler alert: No. There's a whole bunch of bullshit: https://developers.home.google.com/matter/integration/pair#p... You can sort of run your own device if you're fine with giving google far too much information and they can block you at any time. Face it, bigtech has a hardon for closed ecosystems. If they could they'd make it so every computer that wants to send an et…

Post by cameronh90 » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

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> If you have a bunch of Zigbee devices, but at some point want to add some of the new ones, you need to start thinking about replacing all the perfectly working Zigbee devices or have a fragmented network. Yes, if you're using the manufacturer's half-assed smartphone app, but if you're on Home Assistant, like basically anyone who's serious about their smart home, having multiple kinds of smart devices isn't really a…

I use HA and all my IKEA lamps are zigbee. Raspberry pi obviously doesn't have native zigbee radio support, so I have a USB zigbee antenna. Now this means if I buy any more IKEA lamps, I would need a second antenna, and the new lamps would not integrate into the zigbee mesh network. It really sucks.

Post by turtlebits » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 6:19 PM UTC

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Home Assistant "just works". Yes it has a ton of knobs, but in the 3 years I've been running it, it's had no issues. Certain manufacturer devices being flaky, yes, but as a platform, it's been rock solid. I've not touched its config in over a year and everything works as it should.

I guess the fact that some manufacturer integrations are flaky is hard to reconcile for me as far as the promise of "having multiple kinds of smart devices isn't really a problem". Regardless of whose fault it is, those flaky devices contribute to a less stable system. It's been a bit since I was operating it, but I did at times certainly have issues with updates—perhaps just individual plugins or system updates that…

Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 6:26 PM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #88

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"A software development kit (SDK) is provided royalty-free,[13][14] though the ability to commission a finished product into a Matter network in the field mandates certification and membership fees,[15][16] entailing both one-time, recurring, and per-product costs.[17] This is enforced using a public key infrastructure (PKI) and so-called device attestation certificates.[15]" So it's a closed ecosystem that makes mon…

It's "closed" in the same way that all open wireless standards (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc.) are closed. You can read the spec, use the open source SDK, and build devices without paying a cent. If you want to participate as more than a hobbyist, you'll need to join the CSA (a non-profit mutual-benefit corporation). This will cost a bit less than half of what it cost manufacturers to join the equivalent organization for Z-…

Post by rpcope1 » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 6:34 PM UTC

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I think one solid way of handling the instability is to use high quality light automation (Lutron Caseta, for example) for the things you'll really notice, but for stuff you care less about (for me that's cameras, temperature sensors) you can use cheaper ZWave stuff w/ home assistant. The lights turn on and off when I expect, but temperature might update a little less frequently if HA is flaky.

Long tail can be flaky, but in practice as long as you buy devices that are local first IE don't need to access the cloud you'll be fine. (For temp and humidity sensors the Bluetooth Xiaomi sensors are great and they're about $5 each)