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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by kamranjon »

pier25 wrote: post #185
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #149

This doesn't really explain what "reasoning" means in the context of genAI, or how it's done by this product. Are there any good sources to learn more about what "reasoning model" means outside of marketing-speak?

It's pure marketing. See the recent paper by Apple called "The Illusion of Thinking". https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinkin...

I sort of agree with this, having read the recent Apple paper - but it does show a significant improvement at a certain level of complexity - it's just that it requires quite a few more tokens to achieve that. It could probably be described as a sort of "context" hack because it's basically having a conversation with itself to arrive at a better solution. You're trading performance/time for a bit better quality.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by algoghostf »

gwervc wrote: post #132
whiplash451 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they probably work more hours in America than France Not sure that's even true. Mistral is known to be a really hard-working place

I'm pretty sure there is way less regulations in the US in respect to France where going over the legal 35h/week requires additional capital and legal paperwork.

This is not true. Government workers or factory workers can limit to 35h (with some salary loss or days off loss), but else than that (especially in tech) it is very competitive and working 50 hours+/week is not exceptionl.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by micromacrofoot »

sunaookami wrote: post #171
micromacrofoot wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cookie banners are malicious compliance while we head towards the death of cross-site cookies, they are indeed a poor implementation but the legislation that lead to them did not come up with it did you really prefer when companies were selling your data to third parties and didn't have to ask you?

Do you really think clicking "Reject non-essential cookies" does something?

show me a single example that doesn't

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by micromacrofoot »

umbra07 wrote: post #151
micromacrofoot wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've had multiple USB standards for decades with no end in sight. Apple was targeted because they have the most high-profile proprietary connector and they were generally using it to screw consumers. Good riddance.

Like I said, if consumers don't want it, then they can buy Android phones instead. > they were generally using it to screw consumers You understand that there were lots of people happy with Lightning? USB-C is a regression in many ways.

Why bother arguing the point if you're not going to provide a single example.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by numpad0 »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #94
derektank wrote: post #88

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And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

Are we sure more time butt in office equates to more productivity?

I think maybe we should completely switch to admitting this. Every extra second you sit in the (home)office adds to productivity, just not necessarily converting into market values, that can be inflated with hype. Also longer hours is not necessarily safe or sustainable.

We only wish more time != more productivity because it's inconvenient in multiple ways if it were. We imagine a multiplier in there to balance the equation, such factor that can completely negate production, using mere anecdotal experiences as proofs.

Maybe that's not scientific, maybe time spent very closely match productivity, and maybe production as well as productivity need external, artificial regulations.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by desireco42 »

One cool think about this model, that I installed locally is that supports well other languages as well as it should be pleasant conversation partner.

BTW I am personally fan of Mistral, because while it is not the top model, it produces good results and the most important thing is that it is super fast, just go to it's chat and be amazed. It really saves a lot of time to have quick response.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by epolanski »

pu_pe wrote: post #11

Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.

Jm2c but I feel conflicted about this arms race.

You can be 6/12 months later, and have not burned tens of billions compared to the best in class, I see it an engineering win.

I absolutely understand those that say "yeah, but customers will only use the best", I see it, but is market share of forever money losing businesses that valuable?

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by epolanski »

derektank wrote: post #88
pdabbadabba wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the purposes of GP's comment, I think the nationalities of the people actually running the company and doing the work are more relevant than who has invested.

And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by vasco »

underdeserver wrote: post #103
vasco wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most measures of productivity have "hours worked" in the denominator so that can't be right.

If I work 1000 hours and you work 2000 hours in the same timeframe, but you outcompeted me and created 3x value, you are 1.5 times more productive. There's a numerator too.

How does the same exact person get more productive? You forgot the example I replied to? The only thing that changed were hours worked. In your example you change it to less hours worked with more output. You made it circular.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by kgwgk »

algoghostf wrote: post #192
gwervc wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure there is way less regulations in the US in respect to France where going over the legal 35h/week requires additional capital and legal paperwork.

This is not true. Government workers or factory workers can limit to 35h (with some salary loss or days off loss), but else than that (especially in tech) it is very competitive and working 50 hours+/week is not exceptionl.

> 50 hours+/week is not exceptionl.

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000...

Au cours d'une même semaine, la durée maximale hebdomadaire de travail est de quarante-huit heures.

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000...

La durée hebdomadaire de travail calculée sur une période quelconque de douze semaines consécutives ne peut dépasser quarante-quatre heures, sauf dans les cas prévus aux articles L. 3121-23 à L. 3121-25.

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