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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by yeahforsureman »

saubeidl wrote: post #51
atemerev wrote: post #43

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I've yet to find any rights and protections in these cookie banners.

The cookie banners are corps trying to circumvent the rights and protections. If they actually went by the spirit of the protections, the cookie banners wouldn't be needed. Your ire is misdirected.

Are you sure?

The ePrivacy Directive requires a (GDPR-level) consent for just placing the cookie, unless it's strictly necessary for the provision of the “service”. The way EU regulators interpret this, even web analytics falls outside the necessity exception and therefore requires consent.

So as long as the user doesn't and/or is not able to automatically signal consent (or non-consent) eg via general browser-level settings, how can you obtain it without trying to get it from the user on a per-site basis somehow? (And no, DNT doesn't help since it's an opt-out, not an opt-in mechanism.)

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by roboboffin »

roboboffin wrote: post #69
syntex wrote: post #9

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The illussion of reasoning was terrible paper. 2^n-1 how it could fit in context size. I tried o3 and he gave me python script saying that inserting all moves is to much for context window. completely different results.

I think that their point was that the problem is easily solvable by humans without code, and shows the ability to chain steps together to achieve a goal.

Not sure why I am being downvoted. I am simply saying that we know there is a defined algorithm for solving Tower of Hanoi, and the source code for it is widely available. So, o3 producing the code as an answer, demonstrates even less intelligence, as it means it is either memorized or copied from the internet. I don't see how this point counters the paper at all.

I believe what they are trying to show in that paper, is that as the chain of operations approaches a large amount (their proxy for complexity), an LLM will inevitable fail. Humans don't have infinite context either, but they can still solve the Tower Of Hanoi without need to resort to either pen or paper, or coding.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

derektank wrote: post #88
pdabbadabba wrote: post #84

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For the purposes of GP's comment, I think the nationalities of the people actually running the company and doing the work are more relevant than who has invested.

And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

Are we sure more time butt in office equates to more productivity?

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by philjohn »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #63
mrtksn wrote: post #42

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Cool, which regulations exactly stopped you from doing cutting edge AI?

Décret sur la Pause Goûter Universelle (PGU).

Is that the regulation that says you need to allow someone to take a 20 minute break after 6 hours of work?

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by vasco »

derektank wrote: post #88
pdabbadabba wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the purposes of GP's comment, I think the nationalities of the people actually running the company and doing the work are more relevant than who has invested.

And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

Most measures of productivity have "hours worked" in the denominator so that can't be right.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by johnisgood »

MoonGhost wrote: post #90
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #59

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Honestly the US approach to AI is incredibly irresponsible. As an American, I'm glad that someone somewhere is thinking about regulation. Not sure it will be enough though: https://xcancel.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1922710969785917691#m

No, thanks, we don't want to be like EU. Everything regulated to death. They even thought to criminalize street photography because there could be copyrighted materials in the picture. Not sure, are they still taxing Eiffel tower images?

I thought it is happening in the US, too. I mean, the Government is there to regulate the shit out of everything. Regardless of where you are.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by esafak »

tootie wrote: post #67
pu_pe wrote: post #11

Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.

As an occasional user of Mistral, I find their model to give generally excellent results and pretty quickly. I think a lot of teams are now overly focused on winning the benchmarks while producing worse real results.

If so we need to fix the benchmarks.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by johnisgood »

rafram wrote: post #30

Is the number of em-dashes in this marketing copy indicative of the kind of output that the model produces? If so, might want to tone it down a bit.

I do not know but sometimes when I type "-" and press space, LibreOffice converts it to an em-dash. I get rid of it so people won't confuse me with an LLM.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by csomar »

saubeidl wrote: post #46
vikramkr wrote: post #38

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If you close off the market to US tech giants, maybe they'll have some amount of market dominance at home, but I would doubt that would mean they've "caught up" tech wise. There would be no incentive to compete. American EV manufacturing is pretty far behind Chinese EV manufacturing, protectionism didn't help make a competitive car, it just protected the home market while slowly ceding international market after inte…

As a counterexample, China's tech industry has caught up and in some ways surpassed the US, partially due to being closed off.

> As a counterexample, China's tech industry has caught up and in some ways surpassed the US, partially due to being closed off.

How did you come up to that conclusion? We don't have access to an alternate universe where the Chinese tech market was open. There is a real possibility that it would have been far ahead had it been open.

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