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I’m impressed. This is one of the strangest opinions I’ve ever seen. What is special about “at use”? Presumably because it lets you avoid the question of whether everyone should get a free car. Does a monthly car payment count as “at use”? Why not if a monthly transit pass does? The other replies point out that different forms of transit compete with each other, so the more cars we have, the fewer bikes and trains.
Because once an investment has been made in a car and roads or in a train line or whatever there should be no artificial distinctive for people to use it as they deem appropriate.
Changes since congestion pricing started in New York
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Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York
#192Impressive how cars are harmful to society. This is just a small example. We should be more radical in preventing the use of individual automobiles. If it works in a country where the auto is so ingrained in the culture and lifestyle, it can work anywhere.
NYC is an extreme outlier. The city itself is older than America, older than the British colonies even. It was built by the Dutch . It's infrastructure is closer to Tokyo's[0] than any other American city. Congestion charge works in NYC because anyone driving solo into Manhattan is either an idiot or a cop[1]. In any other city, congestion charge would be an effective tax on mobility, because every other city is so c…
This is completely untrue.
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As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car. Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous. My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by…
Having a dinky appartment that is still expensive is not worth it unless you’re young and don’t have kids and want to be around everything you care about. Or you’re rich and don’t mind paying a fortune to live in a nicer appartment in Manhattan. If I had the money I would still prefer something outside Manhattan just to be able to avoid the noise pollution, the crowds and all that Manhattan commotion.
Cities aren't loud; cars are loud.
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We already had A/B testing of congestion pricing. The A test was without congestion pricing in NYC, and has been tested for decades.
you haven't described the observations or the sample
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having a dinky appartment that is still expensive is not worth it unless you’re young and don’t have kids and want to be around everything you care about. Or you’re rich and don’t mind paying a fortune to live in a nicer appartment in Manhattan. If I had the money I would still prefer something outside Manhattan just to be able to avoid the noise pollution, the crowds and all that Manhattan commotion.
I hear that noise pollution in Manhattan has gotten better since congestion pricing started. Cities aren't loud; cars are loud.
EVs have entered the chat
Still, I'd always prefer less cars and more transit.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car. Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous. My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by…
Having a dinky appartment that is still expensive is not worth it unless you’re young and don’t have kids and want to be around everything you care about. Or you’re rich and don’t mind paying a fortune to live in a nicer appartment in Manhattan. If I had the money I would still prefer something outside Manhattan just to be able to avoid the noise pollution, the crowds and all that Manhattan commotion.
[1] https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-american-households-hav...
[2] https://www.mns.com/manhattan_rental_market_report
[3] https://inhabit.corcoran.com/nyc-residential-rental-market-r...
[4] https://www.brickunderground.com/rent/nyc-manhattan-brooklyn...
[5] https://www.elliman.com/corporate-resources/market-reports/n...
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The best decision would be to completely forbid individual transport. Now the common space dedicated to streets is for who can pay extra. Forbid individual transport and create some parks and pedestrian streets.
Extremes rarely work out well. The people paying for the luxury are funding improvements for everyone.
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That's interesting. It must be that I associate rats with NYC. You used some terms that not everyone is familair with, I jump to the wrong conclusion, taking some guesses as to what you're talking about, and here we are.
ratfucking as a term in political context was dramatically popularized by the movie All the President’s Men, where a (historical) character describes his covert political actions thusly. Accordingly, it’s a dc
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I hear that noise pollution in Manhattan has gotten better since congestion pricing started. Cities aren't loud; cars are loud.
> Cities aren't loud; cars are loud. EVs have entered the chat Still, I'd always prefer less cars and more transit.