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Pope Francis has done much to transform the Catholic church into a more progressive and inclusive institution. If not for his papacy, it was somewhat likely that the church would drift too far from Millennial values to keep its former relevance.

Hopefully, the next pope will also champion unity, inclusivity, and peace, and oppose religious dogmatism. This will define the future of Christianity. Many challenges remain for the institution.

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I wonder whether we will have another Jesuit Pope. Jesuits are supposed to be generally very education focused, more progressive (especially w.r.t science) and stand less on ceremony. I know nothing about how the College of Cardinals work, but if they're anything like other political voting bodies, one of two outcomes are possible: a swing to the Right (and toward tradition), recognizing the current balance of power…

It always seems weird and ignorant for people to be labeling Catholic bishops as “left-wing” or “right-wing” or “liberal/progressive” or “conservative”. Those are all political terms for politicians and their platforms or parties. They do not translate to Catholic doctrines or teachings. Y’all are simply parroting what the lamestream media wants to impose, a political veneer on non-politicians who are shepherds, past…

There very much is such a thing as a "progressive" and "conservative" wing in Catholicism, and the Vatican is well known to be very much a viper's nest. It's naive to imply that all those clergymen are simply "shepherds, pastors, teachers".

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Why is this posted on HN, even twice? It’s not like other news sources won’t announce this. The pope had its good and bad sides, but in the end we should remind ourselves he’s just a human being. It’s OK for HN to inform about people here, but shouldn’t they be somehow related to any topics HN touches? The popes was just a guy who somehow got popular because of some quite successful religion - but I’d personally pref…

It's conventional for there to be a thread on HN when a major pubic figure dies. If you look at the list of obituary posts on HN [1], several of the biggest were for politicians, royals, and others unrelated to computer science and technology. It's in keeping with the convention that stories that have "significant new information" are on topic for HN, and that includes major mainstream news stories when they first br…

Cheers! Good idea to provide the search example with Algolia!

Re: Pope Francis has died

#195

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"telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag"." Perhaps he should have told Russia to have the "courage" to stop murdering people.

do you think that would have even the slightest chance of changing anything?

So never speak against brutal aggressors who commit war crimes? That seems to be antithetical to Christian values.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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We know with absolute certainty that he died soon after Easter. Literally tens of thousands of people saw with their own eyes that he was alive yesterday (and billions saw it on TV). Exactly when he died between the end of his public appearance and the announcement is hard to know, but also ultimately irrelevant. This would be the biggest topic of discussion in Europe, Africa, and the Americas at the very least regardless of when it happened. And, if there were some goal to increase news coverage in Asia, where there are relatively fewer Christians as a percentage of the population, the announcement (9:45 in Italy) was somewhat late in the middle of the day, at least for China (about 14:45 in China, when everyone is at work and not watching news, either on TV or social media).

So you are being entirely silly.

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> You used to word indistinguishable, the other person used "deep". You are factually wrong since the ratio of Hamas to Gazan casualties does not represent random targeting even by the worst estimates. True, I apologize for the misrepresentation; but reasoning is the same. At some point Hamas is too deeply ingrained in Gazawi society for Israel to perfectly excise it. Hamas is the civilian government of Gaza and ther…

> For a point of comparison, after Nazi Germany collapsed the Western allies had German civil servants fill questionnaires to assess their level of involvement; of 3.6 millions surveyed, just 1% were charged as "main culprits" (Hauptschuldige), whereas a third were designated as "followers" (Mitläufer), who basically contributed to the regime's crimes but nontheless got to keep their jobs after the war. I'd argue the…

I'm comparing the stated goal of Israel (dehamasification) with denazification.

The allies' strategic bombing campaign was intended to destroy industry and infrastructure and was not aimed at any political group in particular, whereas Israel can and does target precise buildings associated with Hamas (see the "Lavender" program that provides bombing targets).

> That's not even what Israel is doing now

There's no real way to know since Israel does not allow journalists in Gaza, but the international court of justice found there was sufficient possibility that an investigation should be carried out. Are you so much better informed than them that you can be sure?

Re: Pope Francis has died

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He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice. He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to. Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–…

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> telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag".

If an aggressor attacks your country, it takes courage to surrender. Churchill was a coward it seems. He could have surrendered to the Germans and saved so many lives on both sides.

/s

Re: Pope Francis has died

#199
Rest in peace.

When I think about it being the Pope is quite a position, probably the most unique in our world?

You have to be:

- A head of state, meaning taking positions though UN votes, etc.

- A "CEO", there is a lot of "business" decision to be taken to run the Vatican and the Church. I mean the Vatican can be seen as a giant museum (no offense) with a lot of people flowing in everyday so that need to be managed.

- But first he is a religious, spiritual leader and has to steer its evolution.

- Many also still see him steering an entire civilisation. Whether you are a Catholic or not, he is at the center of something.

Tough job...

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