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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by grishka »

MYEUHD wrote: post #169
grishka wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to remind you that there are still millions of people around the world using Windows 7 daily. The fact that some software is no longer supported by its developer doesn't mean it stops working somehow, or becomes radioactive.

It becomes easier to exploit, as it no longer gets security updates; and vulnerabilities are publicly disclosed.

You can't really exploit something when its attack surface is nearly nonexistent, which is the case for most people who use an outdated OS on their personal device, for example.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by grishka »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #168
grishka wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mandatory code signing is meaningless without secure boot though, which can't be made mandatory on x86 systems.

MS's pluton is in every new CPU.

And? Just, uh, boot without secure boot and patch things until they work again without enforcing code signing? The only way this sort of thing could be possibly partially enforced is by remote attestation for apps that depend on a server to function. So do what iOS jailbreaks did, except you don't need a vulnerability to start because secure boot will always be optional.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by fph »

0xmarcin wrote: post #123
samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

I highly doubt it, Windows is known for its stellar backward compatibility. Code signing means a lot of older software, that is still in use, would not be able to install or run. This is not going to happen (at least in the enterprise).

They can just sandbox old applications, like they did with DOS ones.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by ashoeafoot »

bboygravity wrote: post #88
ashoeafoot wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i wonder if some Estonian could justvrerelease the p2p originals . After all as america deteriorates its own influence , at some point the lawyers of the big 4 will be seen as barely disguised tendril of a hostile power in Europe . Who cares about your sales contracts if the president goes for Greenland . We might see a SkyEarthFireWater-Open source re-release one day. Just another tradewar anecdote .

America deteriorates its own influence? wut? The big 4 will be seen as a hostile power within Europe? The big 4 ARE (mostly) European. What are you talking about? Sales contracts? What do you mean in what context? I agree that it would be cool if the original p2p Skype somehow resurfaces, but I can't make any sense of the rest of your post or what it has to do with the subject at hand?

FANG is definitely not European .

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by magicalhippo »

aboringusername wrote: post #125
potemkinhr wrote: post #117

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Do banking apps work normally if downloaded from the aurora store? I'd very much like to fully degoogle my next phone when I get to replacing it, and it's the last stumbling stone

Absolutely. You should check out the list [1] to see what banking apps are verified working with GrapheneOS. It's worth noting if your banking app isn't on this list it does not mean it will not work. [1]: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

I checked a couple of reports relevant to me[1][2], and both explicitly mentions Play was installed and links to the Play store for the app.

Can one still assume one can install and operate those apps without Google Play?

[1]: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is...

[2]: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is...

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by swat535 »

donnachangstein wrote: post #55
samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

> I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store 2017 called. It wants Windows S Mode back. Needless to say it still isn't very popular. But this has been around for 8 years now

Where is the EU when you need it?

It’s only a matter of time before Microsoft forces everyone with local accounts to switch to a Microsoft Account just to access their own machines. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in the future, local accounts are completely disabled, except maybe on specialized enterprise versions of the OS.

I'm exhausted by the anti-consumer behavior of American companies, constantly restricting user choice and access, undermining privacy, and hiking up prices, all in the name of "profit".

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by theandrewbailey »

grishka wrote: post #145
samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Mandatory code signing is meaningless without secure boot though, which can't be made mandatory on x86 systems.

I was under the impression that Secure Boot was a lot of the reason behind Windows 11's TPM 2.0 requirement.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by daveoc64 »

Szpadel wrote: post #36
brokegrammer wrote: post #29

A while ago, I needed to get into safe mode to rescue a laptop that wouldn't boot. Since it uses Windows 11, I originally logged in using my Microsoft Account and a Windows Hello pin. Safe mode doesn't load wifi drivers and the laptop didn't have an ethernet port, so I couldn't log in to my Microsoft Account to get into Windows safe mode. Didn't have a dongle with ethernet port at that time, so I had to backup the dr…

wait, you need internet connection to even login? this means root cannot use computer when you do not have internet connection for any reason?

>wait, you need internet connection to even login?

No, you can log in without being connected to the internet (that obviously happens a lot on a daily basis, where people are using a laptop with no connectivity until after they sign in).

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by Aaron2222 »

herbst wrote: post #160
throwaway290 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should be mentioned this is way worse than Apple Having to use an account to get apps from app store (Apple) vs. having to use an account to install and use the OS in the first place (Microsoft) = not even a a competition

You cannot even develop or use anything that needs a compiler without siging up and logging in to apple to install dev tools. So nah, same.

The "Command Line Tools for Xcode" don't require an Apple ID to install (and provides a C/C++/Objective-C/Swift toolchain (LLVM/Clang) and things like Make and Git). Not to mention other compilers not provided by Apple that you can just download and install. And yes, while you do need an Apple ID to download Xcode from Apple, you don't need to be signed into macOS with it (you can download it from the Apple Developer site).
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