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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by pclmulqdq »

Aurornis wrote: post #180
pclmulqdq wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most US-based PCB manufacturers can do low-volume PCBs rather cheaply for you, but not quite at China prices. AdvancedPCB in the US has their "$33 each" which gets you a very quick turnaround on a pretty-good-tech 2-layer board for $100 total (minimum 3 boards). They do 4-layer PCBs for $66/board and they apparently also do RF materials for $100/board. Sierra Circuits, for example, also has similar prices. This is a…

OSH Park has been doing 4 layer boards for at $10 per square inch for a set of 3 for years. Shipping included. 2 layer for $5/sq in. Much cheaper for anything but the largest boards. It was actually only recently that China low volume manufacturing beat out OSH Park for very small boards once you factored in shipping.

At one point recently, I used OSH Park to make a PCB that was exactly 1 square inch, and I felt like I was stealing money from someone with how cheap it was.

For the record, college was more than 3 years ago for me, and $33/board (last I checked) does not beat any of the other prototyping services except at very large sizes - they go up to 60 sq in for that price.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by stingrae »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #159
stingrae wrote: post #148

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In China, they compete with each other to get be the cheapest. Here (Bay Area) it feels like the PCB fab and assembly houses have decided to be higher priced because the defense contracts (and FAANG Quick turns) are willing to pay it.

I think your cause and effect is backwards. They target defense and FAANG R&D because there's no way you can compete on price when you have to pay your employees $20-30 an hour and you have to do small batches because you can't compete on price.

In China they are pushing automation. When you are charging $500+ a pcbs, you don't care as much.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by eru »

reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

Could you ship to eg Singapore first, and then ship from there to the US?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by reaperman »

hpone91 wrote: post #133

Looks like everything will be hit by the MPF What is a Merchandise Processing Fee? The Merchandise Processing Fee (MPF) is a user fee that the US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) charges. It is charged in addition to US Customs duty as an ad valorem tax at a rate of .03464%. It is calculated as a percentage of the value of the shipments shown on the invoice, also known as the Customs appraisement. This user fee ca…

Just to be clear - if I order $5 of LED's from China, I now have to pay at minimum $37.71 instead of $5?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by nico »

dang wrote: post #138
Volundr wrote: post #129

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Usually it's user flags. There's more than enough Trump supporters that between them and the folks who will flag anything political that it takes a HUGE number of upvotes to overcome that. Technically @dang does have mod control to remove things as well as prevent user flags from suppressing something. As far as I know the second power is used much more commonly, to prevent something controversial but clearly on-topi…

Here's a subthread from yesterday where I went into this in depth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 . Past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . If anyone has a question that isn't answered at those links, I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

Thank you @dang for the in-depth and thoughtful information communicated in those links. You put a lot of effort and dedication into taking care of HN. Really appreciate that

Given how much has happened and come out in the last 48hrs alone. I would say there is a big unprecedented Major Ongoing Topic (MOT)

The MOT is the coup going on. You might call it something else, but you can definitely group a lot of the political news under unprecedented and illegal

Also, given the seriousness and impact of what’s happening, and considering how close the tech community is to some of the events and the people involved, HN is not just any bystander, it’s a pretty influential actor

Whatever HN does about this MOT, will impact not just the behavior of its users in the short term, but will likely also have repercussions in the future of the United States as a country

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by eru »

Aurornis wrote: post #141
dtquad wrote: post #120

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>I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages from China As a software engineer who works closely with electrical and firmware engineers I know what you are saying is completely true. The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves h…

> The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves how these Chinese firms are so cheap? It’s not really a secret. They have cheap labor. Very lax environmental standards (big deal for PCB manufacturing). They have a high density of manufacturing and production. One factory can get their materials and machi…

Chinese labour isn't that cheap anymore.

Chinese wages are higher than those in Mexico for example.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by eru »

999900000999 wrote: post #119
reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

The obvious solution to this is to BUILD IT ALL IN AMERICA. And while waiting 15 years for that to become possible, just move that US based R&D to countries not ran by idiots. I blame myself for not immigrating earlier. I had a chance to move overseas for a least a year and I didn't.

Well, the other 'obvious solution' is to minimise your reliance on that volatile banana republic that is the US.

If none of your R&D is in the US, you don't have to worry so much about them throwing a fit.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by frangfarang »

999900000999 wrote: post #68
xnx wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bezos donations to Trump are taking money right out of our pockets and putting it in his.

People started realizing Temu/AliExpress/Shen are literally selling the same exact stuff. Now Amazon is going to get their 50% markup. I'm literally going to just stop buying a lot of stuff if this policy isn't reversed. It's not like you can buy an Xbox built in Texas, this has the potential to make almost every product more expensive.

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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by froh »

999900000999 wrote: post #29
xnx wrote: post #21

Bad for consumers, but seems like a very good thing for AMZN? Amazon won't have to compete against the much cheaper Temu, Aliexpress, Shein(?) etc.

Cheaper and better. This country is so painfully stupid. Now I have to pay 2x as much for inferior products, if not the same exact stuff imported by an American company. This alone is probably going to cost me about 1000$ to 2000$ per year. We literally don't make much most of this stuff in the US. For example I just ordered a guitar bag, 15$ direct from China. The same exact bag, made in the same exact factory is go…

> by an American company ... > cost me about 1000$ to 2000$ per year.

they sponsored 2025, they collect the benefits, and peons pay.

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