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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

badestrand wrote: post #85
exabrial wrote: post #55

As grating as this is to freedom of expression, I’ve been annoyed enough times by ‘tok’ers doing crap like I dunno, licking ice cream buckets in supermarkets, I’m also looking forward to that going away for a few months till the next thing replaces it. Unfortunately, this is pretty bad precedent. While I love my country, these sorts of decisions are as federal level are pretty scary and I question whether the governm…

> I’ve been annoyed enough times by ‘tok’ers doing crap like I dunno, licking ice cream buckets in supermarkets, Did you ever see that in person? I feel like this is just typical outrage about something that maybe a total of 5 people did, so basically irrelevant.

No but I see entire generations change their whole personality and become ridiculously manicured and conformist to be more social media friendly

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by sschueller »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

If this was really about our kids then why not also ban Instagram, Reels, Snap etc. ?

This is pure protectionism and has nothing to do with your kids being safe nor national security.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wiseowise »

est wrote: post #149
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both founders having grown up in communist block countries supposedly had something to do with their aversion. At least that’s what I heard (was working for MS china back then).

And the worst part of a Communism is "planned economy", e.g. the state decides which app/service is good or not.

Surely planned economy was the worst part and not repressions and millions dead under red boot.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

omnimus wrote: post #187
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

This move unfortunately has nothing to do with harm of social media. Its purely about economical war with china. US is simply protecting its interests. So not only the ruling class in US doesnt care about the harms of social media. They are actively protecting the results - the profits and data/spying/control facebook brings. They will surely not limit or break up facebook unless it would result in getting more resul…

I know this, but there is still a massive net benefit for the youth, and I hope it opens the door to more social media scrutiny.

People forget how relaxed life was before everyone could point a camera at someone and upload and embarass them in 10 seconds

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

xwowsersx wrote: post #178
incahoots wrote: post #159

This was always about running defense for the likes of Israel and it’s ongoing televised genocide…. This isn’t about national security, if it had been this would’ve never gotten as far as it has been, the door would’ve been closed long ago. TikTok and its algorithm isn’t beholden to the US’s government mandate like the other social media platforms. It also just happens to be the one with the largest amount of users a…

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> Israel targets Hamas, not civilians

While HN is not necessarily the correct place for this discussion, note that the ICC strongly disagrees with this after a lengthy investigation and multiple quotes from Israelian politicians and generals indicate that this is not the case.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by sschueller »

arcticbull wrote: post #116
solaarphunk wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like US companies are beholden to national security letters that can compel them to spy on non-US persons who may be users of their product?

No, not like that.

Yes, it's exactly like that.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wiseowise »

itake wrote: post #125
soheil wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a stupid argument. This is about censorship to American citizens and a conversation about losing their rights as an authoritarian state's victims.

American citizens can use the multitude of copy cat apps for their freedom of speech. If it was about freedom of speech the gov would have requested all the apps to censor the topics, not banning one app.

They don’t have enough bandwidth to compete with TikTok. There’s a network effect, like YouTube, iMessage, etc.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by ternnoburn »

wiseowise wrote: post #186
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by endgame »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things?

It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to implement, with a timeline of "well, you've got a year to figure it out".

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wiseowise »

soheil wrote: post #148
threeseed wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) Using TikTok is not a right. b) Removing the platform entirely is not censorship. Especially when everyone will just shift to Instagram, Youtube etc. c) This was a decision made by the US Congress. It is by definition not authoritarian.

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“Free access to information“.
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