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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by Ikatza »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #53
ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

I think you're being a bit too generous with Adobe here :-). I shared this before, but it's worth resharing [1]. It covers the experience of a professional artist using Adobe tools. The gist is that once a company has a captive audience with no alternatives, investors come first. Flashy (no pun intended :-p), cool features to impress investors become more important than the everyday user experience—and this feature d…

Is there no alternative to Photoshop? Affinity or Pixelator don't cut it?

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by karmonhardan »

coliveira wrote: post #75
MiddleEndian wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company has decided to update its hr page to use AI for reasons unknown. So instead of the old workflow: "visit HR page" → "click link that for whatever reason doesn't give you a permanent link you can bookmark for later" it's now: "visit HR page" → "do AI search for the same link which is suggested as the first option" → "wait 10-60 seconds for it to finally return something" → "click link that for whatever reaso…

Nvidia needs to continue selling chips like crazy, all companies in the US need to do their fair share to contribute!...

You joke, but it's literally in the interest of many companies to prop up the SP500 et al. by wasting money on M7 products, isn't it?

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by geon »

Ikatza wrote: post #191
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #53

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I think you're being a bit too generous with Adobe here :-). I shared this before, but it's worth resharing [1]. It covers the experience of a professional artist using Adobe tools. The gist is that once a company has a captive audience with no alternatives, investors come first. Flashy (no pun intended :-p), cool features to impress investors become more important than the everyday user experience—and this feature d…

Is there no alternative to Photoshop? Affinity or Pixelator don't cut it?

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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by JoeyJoJoJr »

horsawlarway wrote: post #106
porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

I'm not convinced. The flows are a little less convenient right now, but that's basically it. Ex - I can absolutely get exactly this same rotation feature using open toolchains, they just haven't been nicely consolidated into a pretty package yet. So to recreate the same thing adobe is doing here I currently have to: 1. Use the 3d-pack in comfy-ui to get stack orbit camera poses for my char (see: https://github.com/M…

Do you know if there is an AI tool to “explode” an image, such as a character, into individual parts for a texture atlas?

See example: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/9606161/53874756-0...

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by jmb99 »

crazygringo wrote: post #94
swatcoder wrote: post #84

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> What's wrong with trying out 100 different AI features across your product suite, and then seeing which ones "stick"? For users ? Almost everything is wrong with that. There are no users looking for wild churn in their user interface, no users crossing their fingers that the feature that stuck for them gets pruned because it didn't hit adoption targets overall, no users hoping for popups and nags interrupting their…

Think about the other side though -- if the tool you've learned and rely on goes out of business because they didn't innovate fast enough, it's a whole lot worse for you now that you have to learn an entirely new tool. And I haven't seen any "wild churn" at all -- like I said in another comment, a few informative popups and a magic wand icon in a toolbar? It's not exactly high on the list of disruptions. I can still…

Back in the olden days (10 years ago), when you bought software, you could actually keep using it indefinitely. Doesn’t matter if the company went bankrupt, if you like using Logic Pro 7 and it works with your equipment you can kept using it. I know people who only recently moved off of OS 9 - they were using creative software for over 25 years, it did what they needed it to do so they kept using it. I still know at least one person who uses Office for Mac 98 to this day on an iMac G3; it’s their only computer, but it still works and they have backups of their important documents, so why pay money to switch to an unfamiliar computer, OS, software?

This modern idea of “you’ll own nothing and you’ll like it” ruins that of course, but if someone bought CS6 they can still be using it today. If adobe went bankrupt 5 years ago they could still be legally using it today (they’d have to bypass the license checks if the servers go down, which might be illegal in the US, though). If adobe goes bankrupt tomorrow and I have a CC subscription, I can’t legally keep using photoshop after the subscription runs out.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by ansk »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #172
ansk wrote: post #163

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The scientific impact of the transformer paper is large, but in my opinion the novelty is vastly overstated. The primary novelty is adapting the (already existing) dot-product attention mechanism to be multi-headed. And frankly, the single-head -> multi-head evolution wasn't particularly novel -- it's the same trick the computer vision community applied to convolutions 5 years earlier, yielding the widely-adopted gro…

I think the most novel part of it, and where a lot of the power comes from, is in the key based attention, which then operationally gives rise to the emergence of induction heads (whereby pair of adjacent layers coordinate to provide a powerful context lookup and copy mechanism). The reusable/stackable block is of course a key part of the design since the key insight was that language is as much hierarchical as seque…

Key-based attention is not attributable to the Transformer paper. First paper I can find where keys, queries, and values are distinct matrices is https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.03906, described at the end of section 2. The authors of the Transformer paper are very clear in how they describe their contribution to the attention formulation, writing "Dot-product attention is identical to our algorithm, except for the scaling factor". I think it's fair to state that multi-head is the paper's only substantial contribution to the design of attention mechanisms.

I think you're overestimating the degree to which this type of research is motivated by big-picture, top-down thinking. In reality, it's a bunch of empirically-driven, in-the-weeds experiments that guide a very local search in a intractably large search space. I can just about guarantee the process went something like this:

- The authors begin with an architecture similar to the current SOTA, which was a mix of recurrent layers and attention

- The authors realize that they can replace some of the recurrent layers with attention layers, and performance is equal or better. It's also way faster, so they try to replace as many recurrent layers as possible.

- They realize that if they remove all the recurrent layers, the model sucks. They're smart people and they quickly realize this is because the attention-only model is invariant to sequence order. They add positional encodings to compensate for this.

- They keep iterating on the architecture design, incorporating best-practices from the computer vision community such as normalization and residual connections, resulting in the now-famous Transformer block.

At no point is any stroke of genius required to get from the prior SOTA to the Transformer. It's the type of discovery that follows so naturally from an empirically-driven approach to research that it feels all but inevitable.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by windowsworkstoo »

Macha wrote: post #98
rightbyte wrote: post #79

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"click link that for whatever reason doesn't give you a permanent link you can bookmark for later" Sounds like engagement hacking?

I think this is a weird SAML pattern I've seen before where e.g. Okta generates a URL that's like https://somevendor.com/SAML/somesignedbase64payload to do SSO, which is sort of the inverse of the more common approach of the page you're logging into sending you to the Auth provider after seeing your email domain.

This is just to make it an IdP initiated flow (instead of a SP initiated flow) and its to prevent the extra hop back and forwards between Okta/IdP and the application.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by emmanueloga_ »

Ikatza wrote: post #191
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being a bit too generous with Adobe here :-). I shared this before, but it's worth resharing [1]. It covers the experience of a professional artist using Adobe tools. The gist is that once a company has a captive audience with no alternatives, investors come first. Flashy (no pun intended :-p), cool features to impress investors become more important than the everyday user experience—and this feature d…

Is there no alternative to Photoshop? Affinity or Pixelator don't cut it?

Gimp? Although the UX feels so outdated.

https://github.com/KenneyNL/Adobe-Alternatives#photoshop

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