Oh my god, finally. I can't get over how bad Siri is, compared to Alexa and Google.
OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership
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#192> Privacy protections are built in when accessing ChatGPT within Siri and Writing Tools—requests are not stored by OpenAI, and users’ IP addresses are obscured. Users can also choose to connect their ChatGPT account, which means their data preferences will apply under ChatGPT’s policies. So does this mean that by default, a random Apple user won't have their ChatGPT requests used for OpenAI training, but a paying Cha…
You can permanently disable OpenAI from training with your chat data for your account:
“To disable model training, navigate to your profile icon on the bottom-left of the page and select Settings > Data Controls, and disable “Improve the model for everyone." While this is disabled, new conversations won’t be used to train our models”
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#193GOOG stock seems to be ok with the announcement.
And why wouldn't it be? The strain on Microsoft servers and the free use of their resources by iOS users with very little, if any, in return is a win for Apple. Not so much for OpenAI or Microsoft.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
The parent is partially right, the keynote mentioned that OpenAI agreed to not track Apple user requests.
I would like to see that codified in a binding agreement regulators can surface in discovery if needed. Trust but verify.
California and EU law require keeping data like that to be opt-in afaik, so it doesn't need a promise to not do it.
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#195~~This is not the direction I was hoping Apple would go with AI. With all the neural this and that bits baked into apple silicon, it has seemed [0] for a while that Apple wanted to run all these workloads locally, but this partnership seems like a significant privacy backslide. Another comment in this thread said something about they’re using b Apple silicon for these workloads, but didn’t give an indication of wheth…
I don't think this is a fair take. It sounds like the vast majority of the new AI features (including the local personal context for Siri, the various text/image editing features, better photo categorization, and the list goes on) are all local, on-device models, which can, if needed, use Apple's private cloud. That requires public researcher verification of server software for iOS to even talk to it. (Allegedly :))…
Agreed. Apple pretty clearly focused on building an action-tuned model. Also, notice how in the videos you barely see any "Siri speech". I wonder what they used for pre-training, but probably they did it with much more legit datasources-- They're launching with English only.
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#196"Siri add an alarm for an appointment for the dentist tomorrow at 10" Sets appointment for 10pm Will the Siri team be fired or are they in charge of openAI integration?
Switching to 24-hour clock solves that problem. Personally, 12h clock always confused me, so I wouldn't blame Siri.
Siri still uses AM/PM for me when speaking, despite having a 24-hour clock configured.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ditto. They'll use it now while they stand to benefit and in 3 years they'll be lambasting OpenAI publicly for not being private enough with data and pretend that they never had anything to do with them.
This partnership is structured so that no data is logged or sent to OpenAI.
The partnership is structured so that Apple can legally defend including language in their marketing that says things like "users’ IP addresses are obscured." These corporations have proven time and time again that we need to read these statements with the worst possible interpretation.
For example, when they say "requests are not stored by OpenAI," I have to wonder how they define "requests," and whether a request not having been stored by OpenAI means that the request data is not accessible or even outright owned by OpenAI. If Apple writes request data to an S3 bucket owned by OpenAI, it's still defensible to say that OpenAI didn't store the request. I'm not saying that's the case; my point is that I don't trust these parties and I don't see a reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.
The freakiest thing about it is that I probably have no way to prevent this AI integration from being installed on my devices. How could that be the case if there was no profit being extracted from my data? Why would they spend untold amounts on this deal and forcibly install expensive software on my personal devices at no cost to me? The obvious answer is that there is a cost to me, it's just not an immediate debit from my bank account.
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Disagree. This feels more like the Google partnership with Apple' Safari that has lasted for long time. Except in this case, I think is OpenAI who will get the big checks.
If Apple wasn't selling privacy, I'd assume the other way around. Or if anything, OpenAI would give the service out for free. There's a reason why ChatGPT became free to the public, GPT-4o moreover. It's obvious that OpenAI needs whatever data it can get its hands on to train GPT-5.
ChatGPT was free to the public because it was a toy for a conference. They didn't expect it to be popular because it was basically already available in Playground for months.
I think 4o is free because GPT3.5 was so relatively bad it means people are constantly claiming LLMs can't do things that 4 does just fine.
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LLMs are not accurate, they aren't subject matter experts that'll be maybe within 5% error margin. You're asserting that the AI features will be removed in 3 to 5 years because they're not accurate enough today , but you actually need them to remain inaccurate in 3 years time for your prediction to be correct. That seems unlikely. I agree that people will start to realize the cost, but the accuracy will improve, so p…
The same argument can be used for Tesla full self driving: basically it has to be (nearly) perfect, and after years of development, it's not there yet. What's different about LLMs?
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#200GPT4o access is a handy feature, but, what I was hoping to hear about is an improvement in Siri's language "understanding."
In today's WWDC presentation, there were a few small examples of Siri improvements, such as an ability to maintain context, e.g., 'Add her flight arrival time to my calendar,' wherein Siri knows who "her" refers to.
In my day-to-day experience with Siri, it's clear Siri doesn't have the kind of ability to understand language that LLMs provide. It still feels like clever son-of-Eliza hacks with stock phrases. If your utterance doesn't match with a pre-programmed stock phrase, it doesn't work. The other day I said something like "Play the song you played before the one I asked you to skip," and Siri didn't seem to know what I wanted. OTOH, GPT4o can easily handle statements like that.
Does anyone know to what extent Siri's underlying language models are being upgraded?