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Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by eitally »

dan_mctree wrote: post #176
marcyb5st wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my understanding is that the scan they did on the scrolls returned the layers themselves. Like so: ``` xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx ... xxxxxxxxxx ``` So, by tiling the image on the surface you get data that is size_x * size_y * n_layers. So, it can be seen as a video stream with size_x * size_y * 1 channel * n_layers where the layers replace the temporal dimension.

The scans used for the grand prize look like this : https://scrollprize.org/img/grandprize/scroll1.mp4 It's a cut through the scroll, with the time dimension in this video representing the location of the cut along the scroll lengthwise. As you can see from the mess it's far from trivial to find the surface of any of the sheets in the scroll, often they layers are blended together messes. You may be thinking of the s…

That's amazing! I wonder if the solution technique has any bearing on potential improvements in diagnostic CT / MRI scans?

Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by namaria »

kobalsky wrote: post #184
namaria wrote: post #153

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I kinda wanna write an horror story about people freezing their bodies or heads only to be revived in the future bat shit insane from the excruciating experience of existing for several decades in a sort of limbo...

read the jaunt by stephen king

Yeah big influence... I may need to change my idea further before writing anything otherwise it's too close to plagiarism. Black Mirror got away with it tho with the Cookie episode...

Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by mdtancsa »

leoc wrote: post #23

Apparntly the bad news is that the remaining scrolls most likely contain yet more Epicurean philosophy, maybe largely from not-top-rated guys like Philodemus. (Apparently it's possible that the library actually is, or incorporates, Philodemus' personal library.) https://twitter.com/DrFrancisYoung/status/175453630645602754...

It says, its says.... "Drink Ovalteenus"

In all seriousness though, I find this such an amazing project to follow regardless of the outcome(s)

Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by acover »

Loughla wrote: post #178
echelon wrote: post #133

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Well, that could go lots of ways. Maybe some rich trillionaire buys you and spawns you into an endless horror simulation. They might be into torture and get off on it. ("No real humans harmed.") But if the future can reverse the light cone, nobody is immune to that fate. Who knows what the future holds. These are just sci-fi flights of fancy.

What is this light cone you keep saying?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cone

Basically reverse time.

Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by namaria »

verisimi wrote: post #189
namaria wrote: post #160

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You're being downvoted because they literally did what you suggest already.

It does not say that in the article - this one and on a previous HN submission where I read about this. However, you are right - if you go to Tutorials and Scanning there is reference to the creation of a 'campfire scroll'. And now we have some detail..... and the detail is problematic. In tutorial 3, halfway down this page ( https://scrollprize.org/tutorial3 ) there is a before and after comparison of the scroll. Th…

I don't know man... implying people are publishing nonsense is what smacks the most here. If you think they are over fitting, show it, don't just air doubts idly.

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Post by echelon »

WitCanStain wrote: post #173
patall wrote: post #170

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The part that I do not understand there is: why would anyone/everyone else want you to be alive again? And do not understand me wrong, I would very much be interested to talk to people from various ages. Specific ones, but also commoners. But why should someone want to restore thousands of random people from (e.g) 1284 on their own cost? That only works if those people have big stashes of money that are legally still…

Perhaps in a near-post-scarcity world, resurrecting dead people is seen as one of the great humanitarian projects of civilization.

This.

Not to make a low effort comment, but this.

But that'll depend on things going smoothly and non-evil, non-dictators winning in the end. It'd be horrific if evil and malicious entities won and decided they just wanted to fuck with everyone.

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Post by saalweachter »

patall wrote: post #170
xvector wrote: post #129

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This is why I am going for cryopreservation if I ever have the luxury of choosing the way I die.

The part that I do not understand there is: why would anyone/everyone else want you to be alive again? And do not understand me wrong, I would very much be interested to talk to people from various ages. Specific ones, but also commoners. But why should someone want to restore thousands of random people from (e.g) 1284 on their own cost? That only works if those people have big stashes of money that are legally still…

Reverse parenting.

You raise your parents from the dead, they raise their parents, and so on and so forth.

Doesn't apply to raising random people from a thousand years ago, but it's a reason people today might be resurrected in a couple of centuries.

Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by tetris11 »

dan_mctree wrote: post #176
marcyb5st wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my understanding is that the scan they did on the scrolls returned the layers themselves. Like so: ``` xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx ... xxxxxxxxxx ``` So, by tiling the image on the surface you get data that is size_x * size_y * n_layers. So, it can be seen as a video stream with size_x * size_y * 1 channel * n_layers where the layers replace the temporal dimension.

The scans used for the grand prize look like this : https://scrollprize.org/img/grandprize/scroll1.mp4 It's a cut through the scroll, with the time dimension in this video representing the location of the cut along the scroll lengthwise. As you can see from the mess it's far from trivial to find the surface of any of the sheets in the scroll, often they layers are blended together messes. You may be thinking of the s…

I wonder what that perfect circle gap is at 0:06, south-west from center?

Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by l33tman »

This is awesome. But it makes me sad to think that our current DIGITAL artifacts might not survive even 20 years, unless explicitly archived. I'm pretty sure a harddrive or SSD thrown on a landfill won't be able to be resurrected in 2000 years even with alien tech, but maybe? Would be cool if someone studied this :)

But the main problem is probably not reading thrown out drives - it's that stuff is just too transient nowadays. People put something up on the net and decides to withdraw it next year. archive.org can't store the walled gardens, and even if a social network for example wants to archive stuff they might not be allowed to for legal issues (not that it has prevented them before, but anyway...)

Re: Vesuvius Challenge 2023 Grand Prize awarded: we can read the first scroll

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Post by fennecfoxy »

patall wrote: post #170
xvector wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I am going for cryopreservation if I ever have the luxury of choosing the way I die.

The part that I do not understand there is: why would anyone/everyone else want you to be alive again? And do not understand me wrong, I would very much be interested to talk to people from various ages. Specific ones, but also commoners. But why should someone want to restore thousands of random people from (e.g) 1284 on their own cost? That only works if those people have big stashes of money that are legally still…

Because death is the enemy, and the Jean Le Flambeur series by Hannu Rajiemi touches on this in pretty good ways. Won't spoil the plot, though.

It does put into perspective though, how distracted and selfish our species can be; oh, let's fight each other because of skin colour, sexuality, ethnicity, religion, fighting wars over resources, etc. Meanwhile people are getting cancer, have disabilities like blindness and paraplegia and generally just...dying, especially when it comes early, after a hard life. It's just so sad and disappointing that we have the resources to give everyone a pretty decent life while we work on solving these bigger problems...but we just don't.

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