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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Dwedit »

mrweasel wrote: post #170
dagmx wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

> 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. That was a feature, for me it was 95, 98, NT4, Windows 2000 then it all started falling apart and Linux and MacOSX because the more attractive alternatives. For those who don't remember, we used to call the Windows XP UI the "Fisher Price" UI. It was the first dumbed down Windows UI. I'd agree, the nostalgia for Windows XP is misplaced, when the version before that…

XP wasn't really dumbed down, just more colorful. You could turn off the colorful theming if you wanted to.

Meanwhile, Windows 2000 predates consumer Wifi, so there's no UI in the operating system for connecting to networks.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by novok »

jolmg wrote: post #134

3:27 I wasn't expecting this to include a mandatory registration and sign-in to an online account. I thought the inability to have offline/local accounts was one of the hated points of the new Windows OSes.

I see you missed the big skip button in the bottom right

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by nickjj »

louthy wrote: post #117
Macha wrote: post #105

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They would also be overwhelmed by the average Windows install if they had to perform it themselves. However, these days you can get laptops with Linux preinstalled, even from mainstream OEMs like Dell or HP.

I dunno, installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever. Pre-installed Linux laptops is great - and is clearly the way to get someone less techy on-the-way . But, for most, if they're sick of Windows and they want to move (dual boot their machine) then god help them. Linux is much better than it was, for…

> installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick

Non-technical folks might be able to click their way through the installation but in the process every anti-privacy setting you can think of will be turned on by default because you have to really go out of your way and click dark-pattern-enabled links to opt into a few settings that help protect your limited privacy when using Windows.

In some cases you have to either disconnect your internet or purposely fail logging into a MS cloud account multiple times before you're allowed to login to your personal computer with a local account.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dagmx »

bejk22 wrote: post #190
dagmx wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

Windows 2000 was nothing like Windows 95/98/Me. 2000 isn't remembered as much as XP because it was never marketed to end-users but as an upgrade to NT4 and a workstation os. Home computers at the time came pre-installed with Windows Me, that was barely usable. When XP came out, it was so much better than Me that people loved it fondly, but in fact it was mostly Windows 2000 with a shitty Telletubbies theme.

I’m making two distinct but related points:

1. Windows 2000 was visually like the 9x series. XP introduced a whole new and very memorable look, subjective opinions aside. Even if you used Windows 2000 in your workplace, it was visually non-distinct from the Windows 98 you’d have at home.

2. Windows 2000 was for business use. Windows XP unified the segments.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by steve1977 »

baz00 wrote: post #42
transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

It used to be the OS I want. They cut the 10 years LT support to 5 years.

So it’s the NSLTSC now… the not-so-long-term servicing channel…

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by ewzimm »

jaktet wrote: post #76
ajdude wrote: post #5

Whenever I set up a new computer for older family members, despite it being windows 11, I always install open shell[1] and retro bar[2]. Between the two, I've made the operating system look very close to Windows XP visually, and they always appreciate it. [1] https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu [2] https://github.com/dremin/RetroBar

I haven’t gone looking yet but is there a tool to make sure you have all tracking, bing, IE, and anything else like that turned off, uninstalled, or disabled? I usually just go through it as I see things that annoy me but I’m probably missing some privacy and default overrides.

This one is my favorite. Just a series of switches. Run it after a large update. https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by neilalexander »

frabjoused wrote: post #31

Nostalgia aside, this isn’t actually better. The animations alone would be enough to drop most users after an hour.

I wish UI designers understood this simple rule: only animate/add a transition if I would have been waiting for a different reason anyway.

If there's a genuine delay before you can complete showing me something, then sure, animate away. If you can render what I want to see instantly, don't make me suffer through an animation for it.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by SteveNuts »

GSGBen wrote: post #167
SteveNuts wrote: post #146

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I recently had the pleasure of migrating a legacy server 2008 app to a brand new server 2022 box. One of the requirements is a local smtp server for sending mail so I looked up how to do this in windows. To my shock and horror, smtp service has been deprecated since server 2012, you can still install it but it comes with an extremely old version of IIS as a dependency and it’s broken out of the box. To get it working…

hmailserver is the replacement you want for this.

This is the way I ended up going and it worked great.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by pjmlp »

olddustytrail wrote: post #174
pjmlp wrote: post #115

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This is going the Slashdot way, thanks for bringing up some nostalgia back.

Yeah, by now we all know about your personal issues with Linus, we don't need to hear it on every single thread.

Like the personal issues Linux fanboys have with Microsoft, Apple and Google?

Threads are written not spoken, if you don't want to read them press PgDn.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dagmx »

mrweasel wrote: post #188
dagmx wrote: post #181

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Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000. Windows 2000 was the last of the separate business targeted operating systems. Therefore I’d argue the nostalgia isn’t misplaced because most people under 45 just couldn’t have the nostalgia for 2000 to begin with. XP unified the two lines into one OS with multiple SKUs instead of…

> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other ver…

Yeah though that was also the period before wide spread internet use, and when operating systems cost significant money to upgrade to . 2000 was $319, or over $500 today. That’s more than the cost of a full console or even some PCs.

So you’d REALLY have to be into the OS scene to look it up, or care enough to buy it.

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