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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Someone »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142
bayindirh wrote: post #130

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> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport

That, too, is up for discussion, but not for now. I’ll leave it by saying that, without Tesla willing to sell cars at a loss for a long time, it might be a bit less further on that path, but I think California and/or the EU would have forced it by now to get on that path, by setting goals for cars sold within their jurisdictions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_effect, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect)

There also can be discussion about whether Tesla’s path is the right pat, but that definitely is for another time.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by darthrupert »

angulardragon03 wrote: post #162
bagels wrote: post #100

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Probably the same reason people go through a BMW every few years: leasing cars so you are always driving new cars.

Probably this, yeah. Lease cars as part of your work comp are relatively common in the tech sector here.

Which is nice for us middle earners since we get those almost new models a lot cheaper.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

b112 wrote: post #182
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112

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> What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures. I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persiste…

I'm willing to bet a lot, that there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap. These events just happened at the same, general timeframe.

> there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap

I wouldn’t have linked the two had the dealership not told me that was what caused it.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Biganon »

grecy wrote: post #108
skrause wrote: post #91

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https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc

Interesting it makes no mention the federal loans were repaid in full, early, with interest.[1] As apposed to GM & Chrysler who got billions in bailouts that were never repaid. [2] [1] https://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/autos/tesla-loan-repayment/... [2] https://theweek.com/articles/454749/auto-bailout-officially-...

Hope those goal posts aren't too heavy

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by _Algernon_ »

hmottestad wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

Norway has been has been massively subsidising EVs for a decade.

While Tesla probably played a role in EV adoption, I think you are overstating it by a lot. If the main factor wasn't economic we would see these same stats in every other country where a Tesla can be bought.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by palemoonale »

bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Your views are spot on, just one thing: Tesla is out of startup mode for like what, 10, maybe even 12 years? They are just another seasoned manufacturer stringing along, well, with rock-bottom 'quality'.

It is just that his highness, greatest pretengineer of recent times, SEC-convicted fraudster, CCP-affiliated (some say owned) dude whilestill holding US security clearances, documented drugster and potentially affiliated too with Mexican cartels, has a strong NIH syndrome, and thinks he's smarter than decades of engineers contributing their discoveries into our human knowledge pool. Constantly overruling the more sensible people still working for him by authoritarian decrees.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by CraigJPerry »

faebi wrote: post #161

Many of these Tesla TÜV inspection faults boil down to surface rust on the braking discs. Tesla's are using regen too much, which let's them accumulate surface rust. This won't fail you in other countries, but it does in Germany since it's part of the braking system. The obvious solution would be a software update to use the breaks occasionally and intensely. I'm disappointed by the TÜV since they do not list the act…

>> boil down to surface rust on the braking discs

You don’t fail for surface rust, it’s not a check that’s done.

You fail for dangerous imbalance of braking force. When the car is run on the drum roller (rolling road powers the cars wheels) and the inspector presses the brakes, the braking force applied by the car is measured. You get a fail if your braking performance is likely to unsettle the car in high braking force scenarios.

Failing here is a real problem. It doesn’t warrant a dismissive surface rust claim.

Tesla does already periodically apply brakes even when regen would be enough to keep on top of surface rust. Tesla even applies brakes when excess water is detected:

“To ensure brakes remain responsive in cold and wet weather, Model 3 is equipped with brake disc wiping. When cold and wet weather is detected, this feature ...”

This has been a common feature on many brands for around 10 years at this point.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Someone wrote: post #191
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport That, too, is up for discussion, but not for now. I’ll leave it by saying that, without Tesla willing to sell cars at a loss for a long time, it might be a bit less further on that path, but I think California and/or the EU would have forced it by now to get on that path, by setting goals for cars sold within their jurisdictions ( ht…

> California and/or the EU would have forced it by now to get on that path

For hybrids, maybe. California is a major oil producer [1]. That lobby counterbalanced the environmental wing for decades. If there wasn’t a mass-market EV, Sacramento wouldn’t have had many options.

> that definitely is for another time

Lol, is this a thing now? We’re obviously discussing it at this time.

[1] https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbbl_m.htm

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Closi »

palemoonale wrote: post #196
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Your views are spot on, just one thing: Tesla is out of startup mode for like what, 10, maybe even 12 years? They are just another seasoned manufacturer stringing along, well, with rock-bottom 'quality'. It is just that his highness, greatest pretengineer of recent times, SEC-convicted fraudster, CCP-affiliated (some say owned) dude whilestill holding US security clearances, documented drugster and potentially affili…

OP is comparing them against the legacy car making industry - they are still a 'young' player by a long way, and a relative newcomer.

Besides, the SEC scandal is pretty small-beer in terms of auto industry scandals - see the VW emissions scandal, the safety scandal of Toyota which is only just kicking off, General Motors ignition switch scandal, going all the way back to the classic defective gas tank scandal from Ford...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by aeyes »

hmottestad wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

This is not true, the Leaf was selling in the thousands before Tesla entered the Norwegian market in mid 2013. The Leaf was the best selling car of all new cars in October 2013.
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