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Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

#191
Isn’t that topic too political and should be flagged? I'm trying to be oriented here. Some others submissions, ie about freedom of speech, are flagged.

I wish there is some explanation for flagged submissions.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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I feel like the public in Japan can get upset about the weirdest things though. Everyone loses their minds over the princess leaving the imperial family getting a 1M departure gift, and a funeral for the single most significant PM of our time that cost ten million dollars. Meanwhile, everything has gotten 10% more expensive over the past year or so, which is actually worth getting upset about, compared to the 0.01 ye…

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=10%2C000%2C000+usd+divi... Tangent, but I looked up the price since ¥0.01 sounded too low. It's ¥12 per person on Japan (which should be a good approximation for number of japanese citizens)

Apologies, I figured the same thing but I didn’t bother looking it up, because 0.01 or 12 yen is the same kind of irrelevant to everyone but a 5 year olds spending.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

#193

Isn’t that topic too political and should be flagged? I'm trying to be oriented here. Some others submissions, ie about freedom of speech, are flagged. I wish there is some explanation for flagged submissions.

From the HN Guidelines about what constitute as a valid post:

> anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Given that the article is quite descriptive and well-researched, the comment section is civil, and lead to many interesting discussions about politics and history, I would say that there is no need to flag this post.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

#195
20 years ago, the Moonies sent out (and maybe still does) young, impoverished, probably easily influenced Koreans to American university campuses every now and then to extract money from college students using a clipboard-based montage of depressing photos.

They also have/had ties with the Bush family. Also, they own the News World Communications, UPI, and the Washington Times. Just think s/Moonies/Korean Scientology/. Media ownership not to be confused with The Epoch Times owned by s/Falun Gong/Chinese Scientology/.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

#196

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The ones that almost triggered an insurrection and civil war a couple of years ago?

Civil war? Really? That. Ever almost happened. Dont be dramatic

Was certainly the goal of some of the cults, at least according to the evidence in the indictment.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go t…

Lately I’ve seen tons and tons of anti trans content that actually says sponsored by the Epoch Times. I’ve see it on Facebook and Xitter. I don’t get why that issue is so important to them. Maybe scaring people about trans people is just broadly working. Gotta fear monger or people might notice that most of our candidates are incompetent. Republicans are unelectable without scaring people about LGBT people and immigr…

Every contribution helps get us one step closer to expelling this misogynistic ideology from policy and law. It would be preferable if such articles were penned only by women's rights organisations and allies with the same principles, but if other groups want to oppose this nonsense from other angles then that's useful too.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

#198
post #192
post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=10%2C000%2C000+usd+divi... Tangent, but I looked up the price since ¥0.01 sounded too low. It's ¥12 per person on Japan (which should be a good approximation for number of japanese citizens)

Apologies, I figured the same thing but I didn’t bother looking it up, because 0.01 or 12 yen is the same kind of irrelevant to everyone but a 5 year olds spending.

It is. I'm just having fun with Wolfram Alpha :)

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

#199

Meta comment on cultural awareness: "Japan wants you to say its leader’s name correctly: Abe Shinzo [1]" Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-in...

What is bewildering is that you expect that the world has turn around in the blink of an eye to humor the Japanese, who are now suddenly having second thoughts after telling everyone else to use Firstname Lastname for Japanese names in an international context for most of the last 150 years or so (as the article correctly notes).

Given the amount of work and confusion entailed this is a completely unreasonable expectation.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

#200

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> The Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. This is perhaps the flimsiest syllogism I have ever encountered.

If you want more context[0], here's more: But if you don't want to follow a link, here's a quote: Over the years, Moon’s hidden money has helped many Republicans through hard times. In the 1980s, the American Freedom Council defended North against Iran-Contra charges and distributed 30 million pieces of political literature to help elect George Bush in 1988. It was later revealed that the AFC was backed by $5 million…

Yikes. This is truly tin foil hat stuff.

> Over the years, Moon’s hidden money has helped many Republicans through hard times.

Okay. You offer three examples. One is obvious nonsense--Bush won by 8% in '88, winning 4/5 states. Supporting him was hardly "helping Republicans through hard times" and said support presumably went unnoticed, as support in a presidential campaign has the lowest value-per-dollar of any form of political support.

Given that, your entire argument is

> Moon --has money in--> "business interests associated with moon" --give money to--> AFC --does business with--> Richard Viguerie --supports--> GOP

Ergo, Moon has influence over the GOP? Lol. Then there's:

> Moon --has money in--> "business interests associated with moon" --give money to--> AFC --toes party line during Iran-Contra in support of--> GOP

Ergo, Moon has influence over the GOP. One cannot possibly be convinced of this without first desperately wanting to be convinced. Maybe it hits better if you've got the whole thing pinned up on your wall with thumbtacks, with the relationships mapped out in red yarn and a tin foil hat to keep the 5G at bay.

Look--giving money to a cause while separated by multiple parties is the flimsiest form of association imaginable. Pretending that this relationship (if you can even call it that) is necessarily reversible (A gives to B, who gives to C, who helps D, ergo D is under the influence of A) is just laughable. It's worth noting separately that this whole rhetorical house of cards rests on the assumption that "business interests associated with moon" means "Moon's money", which is likely just another batch of motivated reasoning.

> In the late 1970s, a congressional investigation tied Moon’s Unification Church to the “Koreagate” influence-buying scheme directed by South Korea’s intelligence service, the KCIA, against U.S. institutions.

Are you going to tie this in? Or are you hoping for a leap of faith?

> In 1983, the moderate Republican Ripon Society raised warning flags, too. Rep. Jim Leach (R-Iowa), then Ripon chairman, charged that Moon’s church had “infiltrated the new right and the party it [the new right] wants to control, the Republican Party, and infiltrated the media as well.”

Imagine quoting a politician as evidence.

> But President Ronald Reagan embraced the Washington Times as his “favorite” newspaper and Moon’s newspaper returned the favor by defending the Reagan-Bush administrations at nearly every turn.

One can appreciate a paper for providing good press coverage without drinking the kool-aid of the owner's cult. Don't you agree?

> In 1991, President Bush invited the paper’s new editor-in-chief, Wesley Pruden, to lunch “just to tell you how valuable the Times has become in Washington, where we read it every day.”

This could be the sole piece of evidence of an super-secret back channel between Bush and the Moon cultKorean intelligence axis! Or it could be a conservative politician showing appreciation to a conservative news outlet for their positive coverage of the administration--doubtless one of many such lunches. Occam's Razor applies.

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