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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by redder23 »

Maybe not surprising but if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it. You can not make this up, consumers who root for a monopoly.

This reminds me of gamers who hate the Epic Games Store with passion even though they give the actual devs of the games a bigger cut.

Competition is always good for the consumers. And I get the security part when it comes to Apple BUT it does not justify that they take a cut of 30% from every dev, its basically a money printing machine they do not deserve AT ALL. The same for Valve, they only take 30% because they can, not because they provide any value for it. All the do it provide some servers for distribution and a discussion forum, that hardy costs 30% of a games profits.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by hamandcheese »

cmdli wrote: post #182
skullone wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people would simply like choice? I know I know, Apple doesn't really offer any choice on their phones, but the point is they should.

But people have a choice. They can choose Android, but they don’t, even though they know iPhones are locked down. By this point, you have to assume that the people who buy iPhones are okay with it. Apple doesn’t have a monopoly by any means.

I buy iPhones, but I'm not okay with it. Android has some of what I want, but a lot of what I don't.

The market is not competitive enough to actually be able to vote with my feet/dollars. Options are give up control (choose Apple) or give up privacy (choose Google). That is not a choice consumers should be forced to make.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by grishka »

dnissley wrote: post #167
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Switch to another phone then. Easy peasy. Why would you buy a phone with this known limitation if you care about it?

It's not about personal choices, it's about enabling fair competition. If you sell a general-purpose computing device and market it as one, you should relinquish any control of it once it's sold.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by frizlab »

1letterunixname wrote: post #185
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I guess you either are unaware or have an outdated device. I have Brave set to the default browser on iPadOS and iOS. There was/is previously a restriction on including dynamic content or non UIWebView/WKWebView rendering, but I'm unaware of current IAS-MAS policies. You're also demanding the impossible/very difficult because mobile browsers don't support extensions. It's just not a thing. Also, Firefox is already av…

Safari on iOS does have support for extensions or am I missing something?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by gigel82 »

yreg wrote: post #118
diffeomorphism wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False dichotomy. Having a curated store \neq Having only one store. Also, that misses all the other areas pointed out: "Be it the electronic wallet, browsers or app stores, consumers using an Apple iPhone should be able to benefit from competitive services by a range of providers." > But that policy should then also apply to PlayStation, X-box, Tesla infotainment, etc. Why? That only applies to "gatekeepers". So you…

>False dichotomy. No it's not. Currently all the apps that want to be available on Apple's platform have to submit to Apple's rules. If alternative app stores are allowed, they won't have to do that. As a consumer I like the current state of matters more. >Also, that misses all the other areas I'm reacting only to the App Store part. I'm all for opening electronic wallet or allowing browser engines into App Store. Th…

The point is choice. As a consumer, you can choose to only get your apps via the official Apple store, which comes with all the "Apple rules" you want. As another consumer, I prefer freedom and hate monopolists so would choose another store. Everyone is happy!

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by adventured »

chungy wrote: post #175
dnissley wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was Microsoft preventing people from installing firefox on their PCs? Am I misremembering this era?

It was Netscape at the time, and yes. Yes, they were.

Microsoft's anti-trust problems were not primarily about Netscape. If that's all it had been it would have been a trivial resolution.

They were about vendor abuse, vendor contracts. Which is one of the key ways Microsoft tried to maintain its power over the tech industry.

And of course as another person noted, Netscape was not in any manner blocked off of Windows. Netscape lost because it was charging for a browser while IE was free and usually installed by default. Then Netscape compounded the disaster by producing a couple of particularly terrible browser versions in a row while IE kept improving.

There was no scenario where a $49 browser was going to win regardless.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by gmhafiz »

1letterunixname wrote: post #185
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I guess you either are unaware or have an outdated device. I have Brave set to the default browser on iPadOS and iOS. There was/is previously a restriction on including dynamic content or non UIWebView/WKWebView rendering, but I'm unaware of current IAS-MAS policies. You're also demanding the impossible/very difficult because mobile browsers don't support extensions. It's just not a thing. Also, Firefox is already av…

Like the person said, the real thing. Brave and Firefox browsers you mention still use Safari engine underneath.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by dzhiurgis »

cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

If you were that concerned you’d use web version of all of the above.

Would be nice if Apple required you to have a functional web app before installing app. I.E.FB Messenger - the only reason why it doesn’t work on mobile browser is so that FB can track you more via their App.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

1letterunixname wrote: post #177

There will be side-effects of well-intentioned, feel-good policies of supporting multiple app stores: - Malware including ransomware, password theft, and identity theft - Lookalike, counterfeit apps - Software piracy - Lowering of curation standards by Apple Certain other software bits cannot be open sourced, including specific cryptographic keys. There is a great deal of Darwin/XNU that is already FOSS. What would b…

Isn't that just evening the playing field with non-Apple phones? Isn't that what the EU is trying to accomplish?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by tinus_hn »

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

If only there were phones that did exactly what you wanted
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