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Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#191

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If you run a successful restaurant paying for "protection" to mobsters is a negligible cost to keep your business running (and your kneecaps not broken), but that doesn't make the racketeering acceptable...

If you run a successful restaurant and the landlord hikes your rent you can hardly move town. Yes it’s rent seeking. It’s also the way capitalism works.

I can’t imagine a world where Google would move their primary domain from .com to .io. Over the past 20 years, I’ve witnessed numerous successful restaurants move locations due to rent hikes that are still in business in their new locations indicating continued success. I’m having trouble thinking of any major companies that have changed their domains after already being established and successful. Migrating domains feels a smidge different.

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> How is this anything but rent seeking on the part of Verisign? While I generally agree with you --this smells like potential rent-seeking--, in order to be able to conclusively label it as such we have to know about the real cost structure that drives a company like Verisign. All of that information is here: https://investor.verisign.com/financial-information/annual-r... I wish I had the time to dive into this. I j…

I think the onus is on Verisign to justify their price increases, not the consumer if the monopoly. So far I've seen them hand waive about inflation and "demand for domains". As of 2022, their operating margin was about 65%... That doesn't indicate a company that needs to increase prices.

> hand waive about inflation

There's nothing whatsoever hand-wavy about inflation. It's as real as can be, and it affects everyone and everything.

> As of 2022, their operating margin was about 65%... That doesn't indicate a company that needs to increase prices.

It indicates nothing. That isn't even close to proper analysis of their financials. As is often the case with chat room discussions, people just love to grab onto one number or one fact and use it to flog everyone to death. Well, I have news, reality --as opposed to fantasy-- is a complex multivariate problem. A single number is meaningless.

Note that I am not at all defending Verisign. I know nothing about their operations and don't have the time to dive into it. For all I know this actually is 100% rent-seeking, in the full economic sense of the term.

I am defending reason and the requirement for solid analysis and justification before accusing anyone of anything. This, in sharp contrast with the typical lynching mob mentality that permeates online conversations.

What I am sick of and will not do, is people just jumping at labelling things (people, businesses, etc.) because they don't like something rather than through critical thinking, demonstrable and reproducible analysis of facts in full context. You know, like calling someone "racist" because they bought vanilla ice cream (not making light of real racism, but one has to admit we have taken that term to insane lengths and depths).

Maybe this is rent-seeking. Don't know. What I do know is that the claim has been made in this thread and the only real support is feelings, not well-presented evidence.

Also, saying someone makes 65% operating margin as a measure of evil-ness is ridiculous. Who put anyone in charge of deciding how much margin makes someone worthy? 5%? 10%? 25%? 0%? What happens to that fake virtuous badge when things go wrong (pandemic, economic downturn) and the company has to fire half the staff because they were labeled evil for making more than 5%? Yeah, the people who lost their jobs are going to think very highly of the virtue police on that day.

As someone who has founded and operated multiple businesses in the last four decades, this kind of thing really drives me up a wall. People who have never risked a dime of their own trying to make a non-trivial business go actually think they understand business. It's both the saddest and the funniest thing seen online and, with some frequency, on HN.

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#193

This is a great opportunity to migrate to registrars like Cloudflare or Porkbun. I bought a great domain name from Namecheap, after which they voided the purchase and made it a $1,500 premium domain. I recommend avoiding them.

I used to hear the best things about namecheap like a decade ago, and have been using them since then, but I’ve heard too many horror stories since then. This comment tipped me over the edge. Porkbun officially has a new customer now.

porkbun has been a breath of fresh air. i love their copy and images. and their specials. i just got a .gay domain for $2. it is the first name of a friend of mine. best-value prank ever. (nothing homophobic, just a little fun).

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#194

I'm ok if this leads to de-squatting. I wish there was some kind of bulk price increase. I know all the issues but if you own 1,000 domains you're just sitting on, that 1,001th you're trying to snatch should be more expensive Hoarding domains for ransom shouldn't be a business model I guess another model is you could regulate the transfer and selling of domains to a certain cap. If the most you can legally get is say…

> I'm ok if this leads to de-squatting. It wont. If anything it'll just consolidate the squatted domains into fewer hands. Progressively increasing prices for each domain purchased seems pretty reasonable, but unless it raises very quickly it'll still end up being worth it to a wealthy few. Combining those raising prices with capping the resell price of domains seems like it would actually work! Someone somewhere mig…

> It wont. If anything it'll just consolidate the squatted domains into fewer hands.

This is actually great if your end is to get rid of squatting, consolidate the market into a number of throats that's feasible to choke and then do it via regulation.

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#195
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“I think calling them a monopoly at this point is an unfair comparison. Verisign is no more a monopoly than your Ford dealer is a monopoly,” Redl said. “It’s not the original days of the internet where that was the only top-level domain.” It is bothers me that the monopoly is excused this way.

TLDs may sort of be fungible, but not really. No one looks at widgets.com and widgets.tube as identical, whereas no one really cares about one car versus another beyond feelings of personal worth.

I think Hyatt and Hilton have a lot stronger brand names than "a friendly lady named Shiela" but Airbnb built an empire on the latter.

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#196
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Namecheap's current .com renewal price of $14.58 is broken down as: $0.18 ICANN fee $8.97 Verisign's current registry fee $5.43 Namecheap's markup Namecheap's new .com renewal price of $15.88 will be broken down as: $0.18 ICANN fee (no change) $9.59 Verisign's new registry fee (7% increase) $6.11 Namecheap's new markup (13% increase) So the price increase is not entirely "out of [Namecheap's] control". They are also…

$9.73 renewals at Porkbun.

https://porkbun.com/tld/com

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#197
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How is this anything but rent seeking on the part of Verisign? Edit: not surprised how this got regulatory approval... https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/09/website-domain-more...

If the other TLDs are actually providing competition, and TLDs are fungible, wouldn't that drive the price down, not up?

But TLDs are not fungible. If Apple switched to apple.name or apple.hospital because "it's cheaper" you'd raise more eyebrows than you have.

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#198
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Namecheap's current .com renewal price of $14.58 is broken down as: $0.18 ICANN fee $8.97 Verisign's current registry fee $5.43 Namecheap's markup Namecheap's new .com renewal price of $15.88 will be broken down as: $0.18 ICANN fee (no change) $9.59 Verisign's new registry fee (7% increase) $6.11 Namecheap's new markup (13% increase) So the price increase is not entirely "out of [Namecheap's] control". They are also…

$9.73 renewals at Porkbun. https://porkbun.com/tld/com

That's presumably going to increase on September 1 or else they'll be taking a $0.04 loss every time they sell a .com.

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#199
post #81

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Cloudflare wants you on their platform so they can sell you everything else - it's a loss leader. Porkbun I don't know. Namecheap, I think domains are their primary business - they need to make money on them.

Can I say something stupid but maybe true: Do you want to be on a domain registrar for whom registration is a loss-leader or their core business? Like, I like cheaper too, but even just in the last few years I can think of a few "loss-leader" registrars who decided they no longer wanted that division operating at a loss and scrapped it. Google Domains being the most popular example[0], but Gandi[1] is another where t…

Given you're on Route53 I'm surprised you would even bother with anyone else. Route53 is hands down the best registrar no questions asked. They have no side hustle to auction off domains that fall off renewal and all their customers would be pisssed if that ever happened. They're a company where the incentives actually align.

Re: Upcoming .com and .xyz domain price increase

#200

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TLDs may sort of be fungible, but not really. No one looks at widgets.com and widgets.tube as identical, whereas no one really cares about one car versus another beyond feelings of personal worth.

I think Hyatt and Hilton have a lot stronger brand names than "a friendly lady named Shiela" but Airbnb built an empire on the latter.

Comeback when anyone builds an iconic brand around .$BRAND_NAME or even .museum

Seriously. It’s not an issue of brand recognition. It’s an issue of decades of basic phishing defense.

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