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Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by justinclift »

xwdv wrote: post #157
telotortium wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You guys have wallets? Seems like the only possession you’d really need to do anything useful is your phone. I wouldn't want to be stuck away from home on a flight without some physical ID. Also don't want to completely rely on Apple Pay to buy anything (not to mention that some stores still don't take Apple Pay).

First of all, contrary to popular belief you don’t need physical ID at airports, you can go through another process to have your identity verified, it takes longer but it’s trivial. Second, any place that doesnt take Apple Pay is not a place you should do business at. Even lowly kiosks and vending machines accept Apple Pay now. The places that are NOT accepting Apple Pay are a red flag, they are doing something nefar…

> contrary to popular belief you don’t need physical ID at airports

Guessing that's a US specific thing?

Unsure if that'd work for an Australian travelling around though, and I'd personally really rather not risk it going wrong. :)

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by wkat4242 »

ethanbond wrote: post #190
phpisthebest wrote: post #186

>>He said they were told the Federal Aviation Administration has a hold on the plane so nothing can move on it or from it. And then they wonder why people try to take their bags during an emergency off boarding.... Because they know they will not see it for a long time if ever again. Stupid policy

Definitely an unfortunate policy but isn’t it possible (at least in some cases) that doing so would taint the evidence of a problem that put hundreds of people at risk?

But it doesn't really. The bags are nowhere near the gear

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by nkozyra »

nunuvit wrote: post #129
nkozyra wrote: post #125

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Not saying this should be an alternative , but having read a lot of transcripts and video of things like this, I wonder why there aren't outside cameras that would potentially give pilots a visual indication of plane conditions outside? Is it just the cost of supporting resilient cameras? A lot of incident reports have flight attendants or copilots leaving to try to make visual confirmation of things that it seems wo…

You'd gain nothing, they can already see it with their eyeballs, and they don't require anything else like faster response or a different viewpoint. You'd lose in terms of putting another hole in the aircraft and maintaining another system, and you'd still need the manual procedure in case the camera didn't work.

> You'd gain nothing, they can already see it with their eyeballs

I'm talking about things they can't see, which I've heard in recordings as well.

For something like this they'd gain something for sure - time and redundancy

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by justinclift »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #162
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #114

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Untold best practice: Keep your phone, passport, wallet etc on your body always while on a flight. Imagine being stuck in this situation in a foreign country where they'll keep you at the airport for days waiting to figure out how to get you back home without a passport. Your renters/homeowners insurance may cover anything left on the plane that is lost and not covered by the airline.

Eh, the chances of ever having this impact you are incredibly remote. And yes, the “cost” of following this guideline is low, until you consider that you could have similar rules for hundreds of other incredibly rare situations, none of which will ever happen to you. Seems exhausting for no benefit. I’ll just continue to keep my stuff in my backpack under the seat, and I can grab it if needed. Or not, and I’m sure th…

> there’s no indication that anyone who left the plane without their ID or passport is just being left in the terminal for days

Because US Airlines have such a good reputation for taking care of their stranded passengers? /s

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by wkat4242 »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #182
peteradio wrote: post #176

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When you are robotically rolling to unload Gs does it still make your heart go boom!?? I love the idea of flying. I see crop dusters and private planes flying in all the time and it makes me wonder if I ought to try it out.

My Private Pilot training was almost 30 years ago, but after a while it stops being exciting. And that was a big part of why I dropped out: it had become about as interesting as driving in rush hour traffic. Like the situation OP says: you scan instruments to analyze the situation, determine what to do to recover and apply that procedure. If it doesn't work, or something else goes wrong during that procedure, you ada…

That's why I like gliding more. It's really all seat of the pants. Not dominated by procedures and endless circuit practice.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by ethanbond »

wkat4242 wrote: post #192
ethanbond wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely an unfortunate policy but isn’t it possible (at least in some cases) that doing so would taint the evidence of a problem that put hundreds of people at risk?

But it doesn't really. The bags are nowhere near the gear

In this instance yes, but presumably the policy is a general one for all sorts of aviation incidents.

You could argue “well they should rapidly diagnose and make a decision” and, sure, but that diagnosis is exactly the question isn’t it?

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by dheera »

ethanbond wrote: post #190
phpisthebest wrote: post #186

>>He said they were told the Federal Aviation Administration has a hold on the plane so nothing can move on it or from it. And then they wonder why people try to take their bags during an emergency off boarding.... Because they know they will not see it for a long time if ever again. Stupid policy

Definitely an unfortunate policy but isn’t it possible (at least in some cases) that doing so would taint the evidence of a problem that put hundreds of people at risk?

Uh, no. My medications in my carry-on, without which I will have serious cardiac issues, are not related to the problem or "evidence".

Agree it is a stupid policy. As long as there is no fire, at least let people grab their carry-ons.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by joshstrange »

phpisthebest wrote: post #186

>>He said they were told the Federal Aviation Administration has a hold on the plane so nothing can move on it or from it. And then they wonder why people try to take their bags during an emergency off boarding.... Because they know they will not see it for a long time if ever again. Stupid policy

Can you imagine leaving your laptop on a plane? In a situation like this I'd almost certainly grab that and try to take it with me. Airlines are already woefully incompetent in the best of times with your luggage, what's even the timeline for getting this stuff back? I don't buy the whole "we need it for the investigation", buddy if something in my carry-on stopped the front landing gear from opening you've got bigger issues. It's already absurd they still go on about "airplane mode" with phones/tablets. The airline industry is so horrible to deal with.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by ramesh31 »

Those Delta 717s (which are actually just rebadged MD-95s) are the oldest fleet of airframes in use today on US domestic routes, having been acquired from the AirTran bankruptcy nearly 20 years ago. I suspect this will be the beginning of the end for them, as they are out of production for years now.

Edit: that is indeed the case https://simpleflying.com/delta-retirements-aircraft/

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