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Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by Scoundreller »

quest88 wrote: post #174
Scoundreller wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspected it wasn’t required for every pilot since most initially licensed pilots will train on airplanes that don’t have retractable landing gears in the first place. But I guess the technique isn’t much different than if your nose tire blew, which might be included in all training? Looks like flying with a retractable landing gear is a separate “complex aircraft endorsement” that “has no corresponding check ride…

The technique is the soft-field landing technique, required for every pilot[1]. It's for landing on soft surfaces such as a grass strip. You must land with the mains first and keep the nose wheel held off of the ground for as long as possible, gently setting it down. You don't need a complex aircraft for this. This is the same technique the delta pilot used, and by other pilots that had an abnormal nose-wheel deploym…

Gotcha, thanks!

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

peteradio wrote: post #176
EMM_386 wrote: post #154

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> There is an algorithm for everything in aviation This is how I got my commercial pilot's license, and I'm a senior software engineer. It just "clicked" with my brain to follow specific procedures ("algorithms") for absolutely everything. Checklists, strict rules, "flows", handling emergencies. It all felt natural to me. They will throw random stuff at you during checkrides. Pull the power back on one of the engines…

When you are robotically rolling to unload Gs does it still make your heart go boom!?? I love the idea of flying. I see crop dusters and private planes flying in all the time and it makes me wonder if I ought to try it out.

My Private Pilot training was almost 30 years ago, but after a while it stops being exciting. And that was a big part of why I dropped out: it had become about as interesting as driving in rush hour traffic.

Like the situation OP says: you scan instruments to analyze the situation, determine what to do to recover and apply that procedure. If it doesn't work, or something else goes wrong during that procedure, you adapt to another procedure. Remember, that during every flight with an instructor, you're being trained on one thing or another, so after a while all the "emergencies" seem routine. You'll be turning onto Final to land and suddenly your instructor will decide that your flaps failed so you have to land without them, or just as you're flaring for a landing he'll tell you to go around, etc.

It certainly results in well-trained pilots, but it also gets very boring.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by throwawaymobule »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #12
InCityDreams wrote: post #5

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>the aircraft are designed to handle the stress. I was somewhat thinking of the passengers.

Well, if the pilots are indeed trained on how to handle these situations, the passengers will be fine. Maybe a bit shaken up from having to evacuate on the tarmac (especially if they have a fear of flying), but they'll be fine.

based on the photos, they did pop the slides on this incident. but evacuations are often not called in these situations if there isn't a fire or something.

there's a real risk of injury from evacuating, so it needs consideration by the pilot.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by rsync »

myself248 wrote: post #96
keehun wrote: post #77

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My absolute favorite is KNOW -- the news channel of the Minnesota Public Radio network. I think it's just about as perfect as you can get for a news channel.

My favorite is WACO (Texas), the only radio station whose call letters are also its location.

Incorrect - there is also KCMO:

"KCMO (710 kHz) is a commercial AM radio station licensed to Kansas City, Missouri ..."

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by phpisthebest »

>>He said they were told the Federal Aviation Administration has a hold on the plane so nothing can move on it or from it.

And then they wonder why people try to take their bags during an emergency off boarding.... Because they know they will not see it for a long time if ever again.

Stupid policy

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by tverbeure »

peteradio wrote: post #176
EMM_386 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is an algorithm for everything in aviation This is how I got my commercial pilot's license, and I'm a senior software engineer. It just "clicked" with my brain to follow specific procedures ("algorithms") for absolutely everything. Checklists, strict rules, "flows", handling emergencies. It all felt natural to me. They will throw random stuff at you during checkrides. Pull the power back on one of the engines…

When you are robotically rolling to unload Gs does it still make your heart go boom!?? I love the idea of flying. I see crop dusters and private planes flying in all the time and it makes me wonder if I ought to try it out.

I once loved the idea of flying as well, and I have a miserly 18 flight hours on my record, accumulated 23 years ago.

The immediate reason to stop was the fact that the more I did it, the more nauseous I got, but by then I had already decided that flying was not nearly as exciting as I expected it to be. Stopping was an easy decision to make.

That said, I also have friends who still totally love it.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by bronco21016 »

gyani wrote: post #184

In 15-20 years we will have helper drone(s) incorporated in each aircraft that can fly off and provide an outside scan of the craft, perhaps even perform minor repairs.

Have you dealt with the FAA before? It’s been a decade long battle to change certification standards for GA aircraft that contain multiple redundant solid state instruments over mechanically driven gyros. Maybe in 100 years.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by justinclift »

xwdv wrote: post #140
justinclift wrote: post #92

What's with them putting "a hold" on all of the passengers possessions? Like, that's leaving people without their wallets (aka id, money) and so on. Sounds like they may not get it back for an unknown period of time (weeks, months?) either.

You guys have wallets? Seems like the only possession you’d really need to do anything useful is your phone.

Meh, I barely use my phone. It's mainly used as a 2FA, and (rarely) for communication.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by ethanbond »

phpisthebest wrote: post #186

>>He said they were told the Federal Aviation Administration has a hold on the plane so nothing can move on it or from it. And then they wonder why people try to take their bags during an emergency off boarding.... Because they know they will not see it for a long time if ever again. Stupid policy

Definitely an unfortunate policy but isn’t it possible (at least in some cases) that doing so would taint the evidence of a problem that put hundreds of people at risk?
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