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Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by janardanyri »

beagle3 wrote: post #174
zmmmmm wrote: post #151

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Yes, this point is greatly underappreciated. Despite the widespread perception that the antitrust investigation was ineffective, if you trace back to the beginnings of Microsoft's stagnation, you will find it happens exactly when they started getting sued for antitrust in the US and Europe, and similarly so too did their innovation stall. They kept on producing cool stuff out of their research labs but nearly none of…

> if you trace back to the beginnings of Microsoft's stagnation, you will find it happens exactly when they started getting sued for antitrust in the US and Europe, and similarly so too did their innovation stall. Or, when they managed to effectively kill Netscape and BeOS, having essentially zero competition. > They kept on producing cool stuff out of their research labs but nearly none of it ever made it out. The s…

The rhetoric in this post is ridiculous, especially when you cherry-pick interpretations of his commentary, castigate him for your interpretation, and question his personal affiliations.

If your best interpretation of "innovation" is "web standards," it is clear that we have VERY different perspectives on modern computing.

Please consider the tone of your posting.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by Karunamon »

inconditus wrote: post #156
Karunamon wrote: post #152

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I kind of noticed this as an unwritten rule, instead of a joke. Every other release of windows seems to have its fair share of weirdness which is corrected with the release immediately superseding it. My path, which I'm sure matches a great deal of others is: 3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy Extrapoloating, 8 will be a "skip". I hope this will be the exception.. I kind of like what…

Off topic, but did you wait 8 years upgrading from ME to Vista?

No, I went to XP.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by zaatar »

pbz wrote: post #154
zaatar wrote: post #121

I hope you like IE10; It's been a lot of work for a lot of people to make it happen. If you don't, please do not fail to voice your concerns. Thanks, and enjoy!

Does IE10 respect the system's ClearType settings or still forcing its own way?

I'm not sure what you're referring to, and am not aware of system settings being trumped vis-a-vis Cleartype ... do you have more info so I can investigate deeper? Please reply here, or email me that is more convenient; I'm at ravi.rao@microsoft.com

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by sfboy88 »

greedo wrote: post #112
leviathant wrote: post #66

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I got my first iPod around the time Zune launched, and my wife ended up doing some promo jobs for the Zune - and at the end of that summer, got a Zune out of it as a bonus. To rank my experience between portable music playback devices: iPhone > Zune > iPod She swears by her Zune, and having used both it and the iPod, the Zune is far and away a better device on every front. Having said that, the iPhone's interface is…

You're contradicting yourself: "the Zune is far and away a better device on every front" followed by: "the iPhone's interface is just that much better - and has the benefit of in-depth integration with third party devices." Which is it?

He was saying the Zune is better than the iPod but the iPhone is better than the Zune.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by roadnottaken »

freehunter wrote: post #185
roadnottaken wrote: post #53

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I, for one, would love to get my hands on a good Nokia Lumia 800 running Windows Phone 7, but despite reading about them for months-to-years, they're never available when I go to the store. MSFT could learn a lot from Apple about not making announcements until products are ready. It's very frustrating.

Apple is a US based company. They release their products in the US. If you're outside of the US, you're waiting months or years to get your hands on the new iPhone. Nokia is a Finnish based company. They release their products globally, and generally the US is lower on that list. Nokia treats the US how Apple treats other countries. It's not that different.

That's an interesting point that I hadn't really considered, thanks. That said, Microsoft is an American company and perhaps they should make their own hardware if they really want to compete in the US phone market....

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by jxi »

nextparadigms wrote: post #19
melling wrote: post #12

How is IE10? It sounds like it's going to be competitive with Chrome in both HTML5 compatibility and performance. http://html5test.com Is Microsoft still doing the silent update for IE?

Will Chrome or Firefox even work in the "tile interface"? My guess is it won't.

This. I don't know why people are not more bothered by this. Isn't this an indirect way for Microsoft to push their monopoly? A lot of apps won't work in the tile interface, which will be the DEFAULT, so unsuspecting people are tricked into using Microsoft apps. Of course, the bigger players have the resources to develop such apps, but the smaller players won't.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dpark wrote: post #163
nolok wrote: post #119

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There was a lot of small and discrete but very effective ui changes in windows seven. The kind that transformed "why is it asking me to add tags and rating to my dll" into "what i need is right there under my mouse already". And as you said the completely broken uac in vista didn't help, they had managed to make limited accounts worse to use than in xp somehow.

How were limited accounts worse? Previously, a limited user couldn't perform action X at all. After UAC, they could perform it if they had an administrative account (or could get an administrator to approve).

Vista added a bunch of areas that prompt for admin for no reason, and to get in as a limited user is definitely more painful.

Note that there is no security need for admin here, just a dumb prompt that you can't second-guess.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by WettowelReactor »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #141
huggyface wrote: post #97

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but Windows is finally going somewhere amazing after many years of going no where Windows 7 is an excellent operating system. It is secure. It is very robust. It is easy to use. It is feature rich. It connects to everything and uses everything. In what way is that going nowhere? Same on the server side with Windows Server 2008 R2. I think the competition provided by Apple is proving terrible for Microsoft. They are a…

A very good counter argument. Windows 7 is awesome, but it wasn't going anywhere NEW. And that's something consumers want. A constantly moving product. Constantly evolving. Not just build it once and sit on it for a decade. But something that has life. "They are abandoning their core strengths while poorly trying to duplicate what led to Apple's recent success" But so is Ubuntu. They're just starting to realize that…

The consumer and enterprise markets are still vastly different. For as strong as Apple is on the consumer side Microsoft is on the Enterprise side. Yes both are likely headed to convergence but if MS alienates its Enterprise market going after the consumer space it risks loosing its core strength.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by yuhong »

Karunamon wrote: post #173
replax wrote: post #162

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It's a nitpick, but you left out WIN2k, which would break your pattern... It was actually a very solid OS from my experience.

So I've heard- but my thoughts at the time (as a mostly ignorant kid) were than Win2k was too business focused for gaming. Keep in mind, I didn't even have internet access until 1999! Went straight from 98 to XP, buying ME and then taking it back after finding out that it broke EVERYTHING.

To be honest, MS did indeed intend to target Win2000 at businesses and WinMe at home users, though Win2000 actually have good DirectX support unlike NT4.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Post by dpark »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #197
dpark wrote: post #163

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How were limited accounts worse? Previously, a limited user couldn't perform action X at all. After UAC, they could perform it if they had an administrative account (or could get an administrator to approve).

Vista added a bunch of areas that prompt for admin for no reason, and to get in as a limited user is definitely more painful. Note that there is no security need for admin here, just a dumb prompt that you can't second-guess.

Vista did add some prompts for things that an admin could do that really shouldn't have resulted in prompts. What actions that a limited user could previously perform resulted in the new prompts?
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