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Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Competition from Apple and Linux (but mostly Apple) is the best thing to happen to Microsoft in a long time. No, the UI isn't perfect yet, the design decisions (for this beta) not always logical, but Windows is finally going somewhere amazing after many years of going no where. Because some of Microsoft's best products were great but went no where. Take the Zune and Windows Phone 7. People who own them love them, esp…

Another relevant point: antitrust oversight of Microsoft started in 1998 and ended 12 May 2011, and Microsoft clearly doesn't have a monopoly in PCs anymore. Imagine a world in which Apple was taken to court for including Mobile Safari on the iPhone, with talk of huge fines and company breakups. Consider having to make strategic decisions with those threats hanging over your head. Would we get Siri? Maybe adding Remi…

Yes, this point is greatly underappreciated.

Despite the widespread perception that the antitrust investigation was ineffective, if you trace back to the beginnings of Microsoft's stagnation, you will find it happens exactly when they started getting sued for antitrust in the US and Europe, and similarly so too did their innovation stall. They kept on producing cool stuff out of their research labs but nearly none of it ever made it out. Regulatory concerns enormously biased them towards playing it safe, just doing incremental improvements and milking their cash cow instead of risking aggressively entering new markets and getting hauled into court for it. Even the rise of OSX can be traced to it as MS has been forced to license a great deal of technology (exchange, office formats, etc) to its most hated competitors under FRAND type terms.

So its kind of interesting that regulation may actually have been effective, just very slow to work, and also it is unclear whether it was in the ultimate interests of consumers or not (eg: years of stalled innovation that we are only now catching up on).

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Engadget's conclusion: "We really liked Windows 7 when it launched. It felt like a big step forward in the short time that had passed since Vista. Now, as we creep closer to a likely release near the end of this year, we can't shake a sense of doubt. Windows 8 still feels like two very different operating systems trying to be one. The potential is hugely alluring -- a single OS to rule both the tablet and the desktop…

Well I guess it all feeds into the "buy every other Windows version" joke. By Windows 9 they'll have this integration sorted, maybe.

I kind of noticed this as an unwritten rule, instead of a joke. Every other release of windows seems to have its fair share of weirdness which is corrected with the release immediately superseding it.

My path, which I'm sure matches a great deal of others is:

3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy

Extrapoloating, 8 will be a "skip". I hope this will be the exception.. I kind of like what I've seen with 8 so far.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Your theory is ridiculous. The Xbox 360 was a major success. The Zune failed because people didn't like it. Not because it's a Microsoft product. Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Now whether it's a better product or not is a subjective debate that isn't worth having, IMHO (better for whom?) But to say that they failed because of the Microsoft stigma is absurd.

> Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Really? How do you know this? Have you gone door to door asking people? You couldn't be wronger. In fact, it is ahead of Android. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/wp7-ahead-of-android-and-... http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Phone-Leads-in-Custom... Windows phones have some of the best ratings on carrier websites and Amazon. There is…

You couldn't be wronger. In fact, it is ahead of Android.

People don't like == miserable sales numbers. The narrative for Windows Phone 7 is so bad that naturally the only people who buy it are generally going to automatically like the platform -- they had some ulterior motive, generally, for selecting it.

Windows Phone is evolving quickly and is turning credible, but that satisfaction survey is complete discardable nonsense.

Windows phones have some of the best ratings on carrier websites and Amazon.

Fringe things generally do. That isn't an insult to it, it's simply truth.

It is also failing because of carrier stores and salesmen, who seem to be steering people away from Windows Phones to Android LTE devices.

Maybe because they think the Android devices are better? For much of Android's life salespeople have rightly steered users to the iPhone. A "held down" conspiracy doesn't follow.

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I hope you like IE10; It's been a lot of work for a lot of people to make it happen. If you don't, please do not fail to voice your concerns. Thanks, and enjoy!

Does IE10 respect the system's ClearType settings or still forcing its own way?

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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post #21

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Well I guess it all feeds into the "buy every other Windows version" joke. By Windows 9 they'll have this integration sorted, maybe.

I kind of noticed this as an unwritten rule, instead of a joke. Every other release of windows seems to have its fair share of weirdness which is corrected with the release immediately superseding it. My path, which I'm sure matches a great deal of others is: 3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy Extrapoloating, 8 will be a "skip". I hope this will be the exception.. I kind of like what…

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Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Well I guess it all feeds into the "buy every other Windows version" joke. By Windows 9 they'll have this integration sorted, maybe.

I kind of noticed this as an unwritten rule, instead of a joke. Every other release of windows seems to have its fair share of weirdness which is corrected with the release immediately superseding it. My path, which I'm sure matches a great deal of others is: 3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy Extrapoloating, 8 will be a "skip". I hope this will be the exception.. I kind of like what…

Off topic, but did you wait 8 years upgrading from ME to Vista?

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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The first thing a power user will do is to go to the old-desktop and stay there, basically not interacting with metro at all. There is no point, it's about as useful as the winkey+tab is on Vista/W7. I don't know if you're trying to troll or you're just incredibly short-sighted, but I'll bite. Windows 8 is clearly designed as a hybrid OS, in the same vein that Ubuntu on Android is, even if Microsoft's marketing team…

>> It's fills the use case of "I love my iPad, and I love my Mac, but I really hate that I have these two devices." It's an interesting point, but if this is the target, then I think it's hopeless. Indeed, I don't think that people are ready to ditch there Mac/iPad setup for a unified windows setup. And if MS wants to conquer the tablet market, then I'm not sure that the "unified" argument is a key selling point. Peo…

Nobody is forcing you to use the things you don't like about windows. Which you haven't bothered to list... A tablet can be a pure metro experience and a pretty cool one at that.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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I'm sorry, I don't get what everyone is on about. The first thing a power user will do is to go to the old-desktop and stay there, basically not interacting with metro at all. There is no point, it's about as useful as the winkey+tab is on Vista/W7. "Cool" but useless for real work. And there seems to have been numerous improvements to the windows experience (outside metro), the ability to pause file-copying etc. pro…

I may have 8 main applications pinned to the taskbar, everything else I do is through the start menu. Frankly, all I really need is the taskbar + start menu.

The experience does not change. Either you type windows buttong and start typing the name of the app (just like in wondows 7) Now if only you could pin a desktop app like word to the start screen, then I don't see the difference in experience.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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The first thing a power user will do is to go to the old-desktop and stay there, basically not interacting with metro at all. There is no point, it's about as useful as the winkey+tab is on Vista/W7. I don't know if you're trying to troll or you're just incredibly short-sighted, but I'll bite. Windows 8 is clearly designed as a hybrid OS, in the same vein that Ubuntu on Android is, even if Microsoft's marketing team…

The problem with this logic, IMO, is that they are still ignoring that, in spite of consumers wanting a single device that supports multiple interfaces, they're still trying to cram two very different experiences into one unified experience. To me, Microsoft and Apple should realize that once you plug a keyboard/mouse into a tablet, it becomes a notebook, and the user should be presented with a new experience -- beca…

So that should still work right? As long as there is a tablet that has a good keyboard stand, As a tablet, you mostly stay in the metro world and once docked you can use the keyboard/mouse. None of the metro apps I saw were not hard or non-intuiitive to use with mouse/keyboard.

For a legacy laptop, most of the work is done in the desktop anyways no matter how much Microsoft is touting the cool metro UI, I doubt the users of older laptops are going to spend much time in metro land. So that experience does not change much anyways.

So its like you do have two devices in one. Use the one which you prefer.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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I kind of noticed this as an unwritten rule, instead of a joke. Every other release of windows seems to have its fair share of weirdness which is corrected with the release immediately superseding it. My path, which I'm sure matches a great deal of others is: 3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy Extrapoloating, 8 will be a "skip". I hope this will be the exception.. I kind of like what…

Off topic, but did you wait 8 years upgrading from ME to Vista?

His timeline was really confusing. HN probably stripped out the newlines he used.

  3.1 = buy  
  95 = skip  
  98 = buy  
  ME = skip  
  XP = buy  
  Vista = skip  
  7 = buy  
He skipped ME.

The "every other version" rule left him on 3.1 while the rest of the world was on 95, though. Seems like a pretty broken rule...

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