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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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With 7.45% turnout, it's more of an elderly's bad joke. Elderly and wealthy people who have been brainwashed by television and want to continue using their murderous and polluting cars and taxis. Other people are more concerns by ecological problems and the rise in the pension age.

Rental escooters are a MENACE - and i'm not old either - just been nearly mown down by one several times.

Way less so than cars. They're just used by the young who don't vote.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #125

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No one is contending that using scooters is bad for the user. They are saying a bunch of drunk users are using them recklessly for non-users and are getting in people's way by parking them all over the sidewalks and streets. An aggressive ticketing campaign isn't very helpful in a city with a lot of tourists, because they'll just go home without having paid the ticket. Is Interpol going to seek out 30 euros?

> An aggressive ticketing campaign isn't very helpful in a city with a lot of tourists, because they'll just go home without having paid the ticket. Is Interpol going to seek out 30 euros? I have proposed this before in my city, ticket the e-scoter company for improper parking not the users. Most of these business have gps trackers on them they will quickly find a way to enforce proper parking onto users. We need to…

That is a solution that could work.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Here in Tel Aviv, they'll never get rid of them for at least one reason: they're the only form of at-least-semi-public transportation available on the weekend (Shabbat) and Jewish holidays, when the law forbids buses and trains from running. Meet a date at 10 PM on Friday night? Scoot. Catch the Saturday 5 AM tour bus to a day-hike that's meeting on the other side of town? Scoot. They've also helped boost demand for…

Wait, so on weekends you can drive a car around but you cannot get the bus or a train? if so that's crazy.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#194
I visited Paris last year and had a very cute midnight scooter ride with my girlfriend down the Seine. It was like out of a movie. But the ride costed like $17 each, it would have been cheaper to just get an Uber directly back to our hotel. And I no doubt caused some french drivers/pedestrians some grief because I had no idea where I was going most of the time. So frankly I get it.

But this makes me ask the question: who uses these? Looking at my own behavior I never touch them in the city I live in. They would be far too expensive to rely on for commuting or predictable use. And I'm not usually traveling alone in my own city, so the economics of splitting an Uber are way better. Plus I have my own bike here for shorter distances. Very limited use cases. Is the entire industry sustained on the usage of tourists riding for the sheer novelty of it in a new place? If that's the case it makes sense why they get such a bad reputation.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#195

> She said on Sunday that their business model was "very expensive -- five euros for 10 minutes -- it's not very sustainable, and above all, it's the cause of a lot of accidents." It must be great to have a wise mayor in the government who calls out "expensive business models". > currently be hired by children as young as 12 When I went there, I read the Lime, Dott, etc rules and they all said 16, some 18+. Where did…

And why exactly shouldn’t people that live there have a democratic vote and have a say?

Those 12 year who suddenly got mobility and then suddenly lost it had no say. These paws are voted on exclusively by the elderly for complex reasons.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#196
Three main reason e-scooters and even bicycles take to the sidewalks, is that they are totally unsafe sharing the road with the cars, and that there's a lack of bicycle lanes.

Once again, the absolute worst offender when it comes to safety inside towns - the car - gets spared from any responsibilities.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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> low turnout elections are antidemocratic This is a feature. Democracy is government by the people. Not by their whimsy. If it isn’t worth the inconvenience of voting, that might be a sign.

Sometimes what is being voted on is unclear. Names/monickers are often misleading. The description text of bills can seem contradictory to the advertising about them. This is all before we get into gerrymandering and other patterns to shape voting outcomes. It’s not always about apathy.

> what is being voted on is unclear. Names/monickers are often misleading. The description text of bills can seem contradictory to the advertising about them.

Which is why direct democracy rarely works. And again, if someone is dissuaded from voting on the basis of how a bill sounds versus taking the time to learn what it is, I’m still chalking that up as a feature. Gerrymandering is a problem, but not an excuse for apathy—not every issue, local to national, is gerrymandered.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#198

Excellent vote from the people of Paris! It's too easy to take these things on the sidewalk, go 20mph and disregard the people around you. Those things also weight quite a bit, so getting hit with that may be life altering.

All those things apply to bikes too. It really seems like societies ability to innovate has died completely with the rise of sedentary elderly populations (contrasted with mobile young ones) blocking all change.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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post #177
post #176

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Rental escooters are a MENACE - and i'm not old either - just been nearly mown down by one several times.

I have never had an issue despite living in a large european city. Maybe the reason is that, unlike some people, I don't blindly step into bike lanes.

lmao this guy thinks scooters only ride on bike lanes

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

#200
post #22

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Except the streets are still littered with them. While cycling to work a while ago, i came across one parked in the middle of a segregated bike lane, in between a fence and a lane of heavy traffic. If this is the authority maximising control, i dread to think what uncontrolled use looks like.

The rental escooters in London are terrible . You need a driving licence to use them, unlike rental ebikes. Yet they are slower than an ebike or even a regular bike. They are also really expensive. Then add to that the fact that'll they all have geofencing which (i) forces you off the less occupied bike lanes or roads in many cases (eg in/near the Royal Parks - including roads which are open to cars) and (ii) doesn't…

I'm pretty sure the taxi-cab lobby groups in London are heavily influencing these stupid decisions that make e-scooters a less viable option for getting around.

I don't have much to explain why they're banned from parks which allow you to drive a range rover through them.

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