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Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Its always crazy to me how proponents and opponents never address each other’s points. They just talk past each other saying their own completely unrelated points. A: “But what about kids in abusive households that get cut off from communication” B: “We have tools to ensure kids safety that requires actively using our social network already” that’s a frustrating way of having a conversation

You're assuming they're trying to have a conversation...

It annoys me that they are presented as opposites, people segregate themselves as if they are opposites, imagine the other side is opposite, and then when you actually look at the stances they aren't opposite at all and probably actually reconcilable

but yes, “opposing” is more accurate than opposite. people just seem to only have the mental capacity for two opposites

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#192

Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…

Yes, and a 13 year old should absolutely not use any of those services. Discord in particular has become known as “groomercord” for it’s open pedophilia.

By who? Source?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

#194
So this is like... let's introduce these concepts at a certain age level ("think of the kids") to normalize control over a population, eventually expanding it to undesirables? This is dangerous. Just like the groomers thing. The best thing about the internet has been unadulterated, unrestricted access to information. Parents should be more involved with what their kids are seeing, but kids seeing anything (from neopets to al'queda beheadings) are what has created some seriously talented and informed people. We need outliers and deviants, not curfew-ed lambs.

They've had so much success with "groomers" in other states. They're trying to "protect" more young kids now.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…

> There’s exceptions for email, Netflix, Amazon, news, traditional media kinds of sites. The fact that there are 20 categories of services exempted shows that this is a terrible bill that is based on punishing specific actors and not regulating data privacy or child wellbeing in a meaningful way. for reference, line 165 to 224 of that link are the exceptions: "Social media platform" does not include an online service…

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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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It's not surprising at all for Utah. That is a highly Mormon run state that has strong stances on how you should live your life. Even if you are a "goi" (I use the word loosely to illustrate the cultural metaphor in a us v them mentality) to them. What is amazing is that they have this strong stance on how to restrictively govern the people inside their borders, but yet expect to have a western lifestyle support them…

> That is a highly Mormon run state that has strong stances on how you should live your life. Even if you are a "goi" (I use the word loosely to illustrate the cultural metaphor in a us v them mentality) to them. I think you're crossing a line here. You are accusing the Mormons in Utah of having a us-versus-them mentality. But your own comment tries to turn readers against Mormons. Never forget: The Missouri Executiv…

That was 185 years ago, how charitable have Utah mormons been this year to the LGBT community? The unspoken intentions of this bill given the state's recent legislative priorities are absolutely horrifying and far more deserving of criticism and deep skepticism than charity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/8:_The_Mormon_Proposition

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I haven't read the bills yet but according to the article it applies to children under 18. 17-year-old me would have considered this draconian bullsh*t, for the same reasons I would now. (So does dad me, incidentally. My kid's messages have always been her business, not mine.)

I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

> I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

I'm sure many of us didn't have any access to StackOverflow and GitHub when we were around 17 years old, because StackOverflow and GitHub didn't exist yet. For several of us, git didn't exist yet. Heck, for some of us, the web didn't exist yet!

Kids these days...

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

#200

Something has to be done. It is too close to alcohol and tobacco. Makes you feel good but causes some yet to be diagnosed disorder.

Agreed. I'm unsure whether this is the right approach, it should be the parents' duty to monitor what their children are doing and limit access appropriately but it's been clear that many of them simply can't be bothered to do so. Someone has to step in eventually.
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