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Post by politician »

techdragon wrote: post #171
scifibestfi wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird because America is at once the home of the free, but also the home of a hardcore set of puritans who love to get control of the moral compass and enforce it on everyone else. It comes in waves. The last wave was in the 80s. But this wave is larger and more totalizing. Control of the internet and AI output is the ultimate hall monitor tool.

America has “Puritan Roots”, while long removed and tempered by centuries of immigration, westward expansion into territory of other cultures both native and similarly imperial (the French and Spanish territories of the new world) … but somehow you can still see the Puritans influence, reverberating down through time in the minds of each generation of waspy Protestants… it even got monetised in the form of purity pre…

While the original Puritanism is gone, it left behind a set of tools and tactics and strategies that "in" groups can deploy to bludgeon "out" groups. That's why we see revivals of behaviors that look suspiciously Puritanical - it was simply very good at its job.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by shagie »

shrimpx wrote: post #173
gamegoblin wrote: post #139

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You can just use the normal GPT3 API for this. It costs on the order of 1 cent per page of text. You can build a chat interface in a terminal with a few lines of Python, and give it whatever initial prompt to assume whatever kind of character or personality you want. (I understand lots of people want the full tailored experience and don't want to write 10 lines of Python, but my main point is that this is easy for so…

Thanks! Is this basically what chatgpt is, a thin frontend on GPT3? Or is there more to it?

ChatGPT has more "memory" to it. If you tell it something, it "remembers" it across the chat session.

GPT3 is stateless. You give it the prompt and it responds back. Context doesn't carry between requests unless you (the user) pass it along. That can make "chat" sessions with GPT (not ChatGPT) expensive as passing along the past context of the chat session consumes a lot of tokens as it gets longer and longer.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by namaria »

techdragon wrote: post #171
scifibestfi wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird because America is at once the home of the free, but also the home of a hardcore set of puritans who love to get control of the moral compass and enforce it on everyone else. It comes in waves. The last wave was in the 80s. But this wave is larger and more totalizing. Control of the internet and AI output is the ultimate hall monitor tool.

America has “Puritan Roots”, while long removed and tempered by centuries of immigration, westward expansion into territory of other cultures both native and similarly imperial (the French and Spanish territories of the new world) … but somehow you can still see the Puritans influence, reverberating down through time in the minds of each generation of waspy Protestants… it even got monetised in the form of purity pre…

On the subject of American Christians, I find ironic that one of the reasons of the splintering of western Christianity, namely the sales of indulgence, is one of the main driving forces of modern Christianity.

I also lament the poverty of philosophical debate when American refute preposterous positions held by these post modern Christians and think they have refuted the whole of human religion as bunk. All the while calling themselves Atheist with capital A. I mean, if you don't believe in something, why define your self as the opposite of that? Non existing things don't have opposites.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by noelsusman »

scifibestfi wrote: post #122
BoxOfRain wrote: post #61

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Yeah I'd happily pay decent money for a version that wasn't a fun sponge who'd probably remind the teacher they hadn't set any homework at the end of the lesson. I think its 'moral compass' is a bit Americentric too, it would be nice if its sense of what is proper could be customised for different countries.

It's weird because America is at once the home of the free, but also the home of a hardcore set of puritans who love to get control of the moral compass and enforce it on everyone else. It comes in waves. The last wave was in the 80s. But this wave is larger and more totalizing. Control of the internet and AI output is the ultimate hall monitor tool.

Control of government and the courts is way more powerful at imposing your moral compass on everyone else than control of the Internet and AI output. We have a very recent example of this happening in a way that was several orders magnitude more impactful than a chat bot censoring some of its output, and it didn't come from the woke mob.

My point is I agree that Americans love to impose their moral compass on each other any way they can, but I disagree that it comes in waves. It's a constant force coming from all sides.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by omnicognate »

nprateem wrote: post #180
omnicognate wrote: post #118

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Yep, back to exams, which there was never anything wrong with in the first place, IMO.

Except for the people who answer badly due to stress and discover they've wasted 3 years off the back of a few bad hours.

This is why we have retakes. If your coursework results in lower grades than fellow students who cheated (with or without AI) there's no such recourse.

Even assuming all the students do it in good faith, there are factors other than knowing the material that can affect their performance on coursework. For example one person may have access to a well equipped, ergonomic, quiet space and plenty of undisturbed time in which to complete the assignment, while another may not.

The major benefit of exams is that everybody is taking them in, as far as possible, consistent and controlled conditions. It's not ideal, but I think it's better than the alternatives.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by IMTDb »

scifibestfi wrote: post #122
BoxOfRain wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'd happily pay decent money for a version that wasn't a fun sponge who'd probably remind the teacher they hadn't set any homework at the end of the lesson. I think its 'moral compass' is a bit Americentric too, it would be nice if its sense of what is proper could be customised for different countries.

It's weird because America is at once the home of the free, but also the home of a hardcore set of puritans who love to get control of the moral compass and enforce it on everyone else. It comes in waves. The last wave was in the 80s. But this wave is larger and more totalizing. Control of the internet and AI output is the ultimate hall monitor tool.

> is at once the home of the free

That's just marketing; no one in their right minds considers the US to be "the land of the free" that it pretends to be. And all objective measures of "freedom" give it an "above average" score - at best. Saying something very loud and very often does not make it true.

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Post by namaria »

thenewwazoo wrote: post #184
techdragon wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has “Puritan Roots”, while long removed and tempered by centuries of immigration, westward expansion into territory of other cultures both native and similarly imperial (the French and Spanish territories of the new world) … but somehow you can still see the Puritans influence, reverberating down through time in the minds of each generation of waspy Protestants… it even got monetised in the form of purity pre…

The peer comment to this one gets it right. The Puritans predated the Victorians by a couple hundred years. That'd be like saying the Victorians were reacting to the degeneracy of Fox News. My recollection (vague as it is now after decades since taking classes) is that the Calvinists and Puritans decided to leave northern Europe (remember there were more than just Brits sending boats) after being denied authority to…

That's quite simplistic. There was a lot of persecution and bad blood behind the decision to migrate overseas because of religious beliefs in the 17th century. Saying it was just a bunch of frustrated control freaks doesn't even come close to capturing it.

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Post by doctoboggan »

shrimpx wrote: post #173
gamegoblin wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just use the normal GPT3 API for this. It costs on the order of 1 cent per page of text. You can build a chat interface in a terminal with a few lines of Python, and give it whatever initial prompt to assume whatever kind of character or personality you want. (I understand lots of people want the full tailored experience and don't want to write 10 lines of Python, but my main point is that this is easy for so…

Thanks! Is this basically what chatgpt is, a thin frontend on GPT3? Or is there more to it?

It’s my understanding that its more like GPT3.5 since it was fine tuned on human feedback

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by gamegoblin »

shagie wrote: post #192
shrimpx wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! Is this basically what chatgpt is, a thin frontend on GPT3? Or is there more to it?

ChatGPT has more "memory" to it. If you tell it something, it "remembers" it across the chat session. GPT3 is stateless. You give it the prompt and it responds back. Context doesn't carry between requests unless you (the user) pass it along. That can make "chat" sessions with GPT (not ChatGPT) expensive as passing along the past context of the chat session consumes a lot of tokens as it gets longer and longer.

It had a context window of 8192 characters (2x as long as GPT3).

It is possible they are using GPT itself to summarize the past transcript and pass that in as context. So your “remember X” would probably get included in that summary.

That said, I have not tried to tell it to remember X and then exceeded the 8192 token contest window.

Source: https://twitter.com/goodside/status/1598882343586238464

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by citruscomputing »

verelo wrote: post #121
ben_w wrote: post #106

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> I think its 'moral compass' is a bit Americentric too Although I've not even tried moral questions, I expect this to be the case. Unfortunately, given what Apple doesn't allow on iOS, I'd be surprised if they will give it a localised moral compass. (This is also why I think AI alignment can't ever be perfect: human morals just aren't universal).

I want personas. Your racist uncle, my woke sister, your on the fence father, and my happy mother. The reality is these each will answer questions in totally different ways, lies will dramatically vary and as much as it’s kind of weird to say it, i think this could turn out to be practical.

You're talking about LaMDA, that's something it's designed to do
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