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Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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I would pay for a Premium ChatGPT only if it comes with disabled watermarking. Otherwise, I'll use something else.

> with disabled watermarking What does that mean in this context?

I believe ChatGPT inserts invisible characters that watermark the text. I'm sure it isn't hard to remove them via some third party tool

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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They can monetize it if they want, but I just want it to not be as bad as DALL-E 2. When using an AI, it's not unusual to have to tinker a bit to get exactly what you want from it. Today, DALL-E cost 15$ to use it 115 times, but 90% of the time you don't really get good images, or necessarily exactly what you want. it means that you're actually paying 15$ for 10 or something image that are actually what you wanted. I…

Wouldn’t that require a different approach to paying for computation? From OpenAI perspective there is no difference in spent resources whether you are still tinkering or know exactly what to generate in DALL-E. Which seems fair.

DALL-E is massively overpriced for the compute it uses. The current DALL-E price is based on what they think they can get away with, not on compute costs.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

#103

They can monetize it if they want, but I just want it to not be as bad as DALL-E 2. When using an AI, it's not unusual to have to tinker a bit to get exactly what you want from it. Today, DALL-E cost 15$ to use it 115 times, but 90% of the time you don't really get good images, or necessarily exactly what you want. it means that you're actually paying 15$ for 10 or something image that are actually what you wanted. I…

regarding dall-e, eventually we would up with stable diffusion, which lets you tinker to your heart’s content at no cost on fairly cheap hardware.

my hope is that an open source alternative to chatgpt will emerge and see similar iterative, community developed models for specific purposes

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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They can monetize it if they want, but I just want it to not be as bad as DALL-E 2. When using an AI, it's not unusual to have to tinker a bit to get exactly what you want from it. Today, DALL-E cost 15$ to use it 115 times, but 90% of the time you don't really get good images, or necessarily exactly what you want. it means that you're actually paying 15$ for 10 or something image that are actually what you wanted. I…

> Today, DALL-E cost 15$ to use it 115 times, but 90% of the time you don't really get good images, or necessarily exactly what you want.

So you're paying $15 to get 11 great images that are what you want? That still seems pretty cheap.

The point is, the cost includes the failed images. If you wanted the cost to only be for the good images, and you get free bad images, they'd simply charge 10x the amount.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dramatically improving my learning. The ability to ask questions & ask for examples has helped me learn far faster than books, videos, blogs, etc. Yes, I know the information isn't always 100% accurate. Neither are the books, blogs, courses, etc., I pay for. They also don't let me ask "what about this scenario..." This gives me such a strong base to build from which I can then use other sources to verify.

> Yes, I know the information isn't always 100% accurate. Neither are the books, blogs, courses, etc., I pay for Those are two completely different things. ChatGPT has no obligation to be correct, and isn't even trying! It is a chatbot. Its prime directive is only to sound believable . Those books, blogs, courses, etc are at least trying to be correct and provide you with reliable information on a topic. Try using Ch…

> Try using ChatGPT on a topic you know really well.

And read what it says carefully. On many occasions I've seen it say something in a subject I know well and it's started correct so I've mentally autocompleted and assumed it had the whole thing right.

Eg. This for "What is Gell-Mann amnesia?" - contrast to the actual meaning. [1]

> Gell-Mann amnesia is a term coined by science writer Michael Crichton to describe the phenomenon where people tend to forget information that contradicts their preconceptions or beliefs. The term is named after physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who won the 1969 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the theory of elementary particles.

> According to Crichton, Gell-Mann amnesia occurs when people encounter information that contradicts their beliefs, but rather than updating their beliefs to reflect the new information, they simply forget the information and continue to hold onto their preconceptions. This type of cognitive bias can be a significant barrier to learning and can lead to flawed decision-making.

Learning from ChatGPT as if it's similar to "books, blogs, courses, etc" really doesn't seem like a good idea.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmn...

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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My son asked if which of two animals would win in a fight and we just got a lecture about how fighting is bad. I hope they’ll give an option to turn off what I’m calling “hall monitor mode” That could be worth paying for.

Yeah I'd happily pay decent money for a version that wasn't a fun sponge who'd probably remind the teacher they hadn't set any homework at the end of the lesson. I think its 'moral compass' is a bit Americentric too, it would be nice if its sense of what is proper could be customised for different countries.

> I think its 'moral compass' is a bit Americentric too

Although I've not even tried moral questions, I expect this to be the case.

Unfortunately, given what Apple doesn't allow on iOS, I'd be surprised if they will give it a localised moral compass.

(This is also why I think AI alignment can't ever be perfect: human morals just aren't universal).

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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My son asked if which of two animals would win in a fight and we just got a lecture about how fighting is bad. I hope they’ll give an option to turn off what I’m calling “hall monitor mode” That could be worth paying for.

As a counterpoint, I’m so glad that OpenAI has such stringent ethics policies, it’s like a miracle that the company to make such breakthroughs is actually responsible given the craven behavior of most companies and engineers by extension.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t that require a different approach to paying for computation? From OpenAI perspective there is no difference in spent resources whether you are still tinkering or know exactly what to generate in DALL-E. Which seems fair.

DALL-E is massively overpriced for the compute it uses. The current DALL-E price is based on what they think they can get away with, not on compute costs.

That's... How pricing works

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t that require a different approach to paying for computation? From OpenAI perspective there is no difference in spent resources whether you are still tinkering or know exactly what to generate in DALL-E. Which seems fair.

DALL-E is massively overpriced for the compute it uses. The current DALL-E price is based on what they think they can get away with, not on compute costs.

There's a lot more to product pricing that compute costs...

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

#110

“However, ever since the chatbot has come into action, it has been negatively impacting students' learning.” This sentence is out of nowhere, did ChatGPT write this article? How could someone think something so new is suddenly negatively impacting students across the board.

The ChatGPT Discord is incredibly active and is largely students
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