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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by pclmulqdq »

cdnsteve wrote: post #62

It would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at or…

They have no existing obligations, and a business model that doesn't seem to work for consumer-level products. They are in the process of trying to upscale quickly: they entered the defense market (Starlinks in Ukraine), they started providing service for luxury yachts, and now aircraft. It's clear what is happening here: they have been told that they can't get subsidies for consumer broadband, so they are pivoting.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#192

Post by socialismisok »

snek_case wrote: post #165
meling wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.

They also own 2/3 of the US EV market (with all remaining automakers combined making the remaining third), but people love to shit on them all the time. Tesla is driving the EV revolution while the rest of the auto industry drags its feet.

I owned one for like 8-9 years. I love to shit on the cars because they were awful to own. I eventually sold it when Tesla just stopped responding to safety recall notices or repairs, to say nothing of the "weird, the thing is stuck on a reboot loop" or "FSD IS HERE!" (FSD not available)

Re: Starlink Aviation

#193

Post by TheRealPomax »

shaklee3 wrote: post #180
TheRealPomax wrote: post #172

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Yet again, we hit the "that depends entirely on where you live". On Vancouver Island, planes spend most of their time nowhere near populated areas, but between populated areas. Not that you'd need internet on those flights, but let's also not pretend there's only one type of plane flying one type of route with one type of customer in one type of setting (or even only one of those restrictions).

I've done route planning for internet service. the vast, vast majority of the time they're in busy areas. you're talking about outliers.

You've done route planning for internet service, or route planning for US/Canada domestic in-flight internet service? Because there's a lot of nothing in between successive towns in rural Canada and the US.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#194

Post by socialismisok »

meling wrote: post #133
socialismisok wrote: post #84

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Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.

In general I found the experience of buying a Tesla extremely pleasant, and the first couple years of ownership quite nice. The longer I owned the car, the worse it got.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#195

Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

kjksf wrote: post #155
dirtyid wrote: post #124

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It seems inevitable Starlink will prioritize profitable commercial ventures first. Industry is going to find more data intensive applications and squeeze out residential use.

The way Starlink works SpaceX has no means to prioritize airplanes over residential. If you wait for service in residential area it's because it's oversubscribed and SpaceX has to put more satellites in orbit or build more ground station. Those satellites are the same that support airplanes so they benefit all use cases. The issue is coverage i.e. bandwidth per area. The way Starlink works is that bandwidth (satellit…

they absolutely can prioritize some antennas over others.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#196

Post by schappim »

shaklee3 wrote: post #175
FireBeyond wrote: post #131

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Well, and ViaSat is actually available now. "Available in 2023". We'll see. I mean FSD has been "coming this year" since 2016. And I regularly see people here complaining that they're still waitlisted for their terrestrial Starlink service. Who knows what ViaSat will have by whenever Starlink actually makes this happen (you know, with the mobile RV service that's "coming soon", and the maritime service, also "coming…

viasat will have viasat-3 by then, which is about 5x their total current capacity.

Yeah, but latency will be suboptimal as viasat's satellites are in geosynchronous orbit. Many laws a optional, but I'm afraid they can't get around the speed of light...

Re: Starlink Aviation

#197

Post by bruce511 »

ericraio wrote: post #182
eganist wrote: post #105

Edit: a fatal assumption that it's the airlines providing the service underpins my original post below, whereas instead it's the providers charging passengers directly. That's an entirely different model from below, so disregard my original comment aside maybe my last line. Preserving the comment for context though. --- At 25,000/mo, assuming a jet makes 60 trans-con segments in the US per month and a price of $20 pe…

Let’s not forget that this could be a value add, they can easily increase flight ticket prices by $20 and offer the service for free. They can also remove inflight monitors from the planes, reducing the weight of the overall plane, increase plane tickets by $10 and offer it Free. There’s many ways to play with the numbers

They could add around $3 per ticket and pay for it.

But removing seat-back would be bold - 100 people using a shared 350 connection would probably not work well. 200-odd using it would kill it. Leaving your passengers with a very unhappy experience.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by socialismisok »

HyperSane wrote: post #110
socialismisok wrote: post #84

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Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

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Absolutely. I mean, your post is glib to the point of reductiveness, but Musk has habitually lied about Tesla, SpaceX, The Boring Company, the Hyperloop, Neural Link and just about every venture he's been in.

It's not hard to find a half dozen lies about each of those companies, to say nothing of his social media presence.

I'd happily float an innovator an occasional overreach. But it's dozens and dozens of times now and people still buy it.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#199

Post by shaklee3 »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #193
shaklee3 wrote: post #180

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I've done route planning for internet service. the vast, vast majority of the time they're in busy areas. you're talking about outliers.

You've done route planning for internet service, or route planning for US/Canada domestic in-flight internet service? Because there's a lot of nothing in between successive towns in rural Canada and the US.

I've done route planning for satellite internet for domestic flights. airplanes tend to take the exact same paths over heavily concentrated areas, and the hubs have a tremendous amount of demand around them. you can verify this by paying for flightaware data and looking at historical data by airline. even without ground traffic consider 3 planes in the same beam need to serve ~500 people.

airlines bank on you not using it or charging a lot to keep the numbers down. JetBlue does it for free by subsidizing through the ticket price since people pay a premium for the name.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#200

Post by shaklee3 »

schappim wrote: post #196
shaklee3 wrote: post #175

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viasat will have viasat-3 by then, which is about 5x their total current capacity.

Yeah, but latency will be suboptimal as viasat's satellites are in geosynchronous orbit. Many laws a optional, but I'm afraid they can't get around the speed of light...

this is a common thing SpaceX people say, but in reality, it doesn't matter that much. streaming media isn't affected by latency at all, and web browsing/app usage is good enough. what really suffers is real time games or VPN, but that's not as common.
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