iPad Pro M2 • Hacker News Board

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by psychomugs » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

Auracle wrote: post #88

null_object wrote: post #53

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> I find that the best use of a tablet is reading and watching videos. I think HN forgets the 'pros' using the iPad Pros are video, photography, visual-arts and music professionals. I'm as disappointed as the next dev on HN that iPadOS still doesn't allow me to run a full version of Xcode. But then I remember there are perfectly good laptops for that, and I'm not the target audience for these devices

I mean, I don’t understand how I could really use an iPad in my workflow as a photographer. Everything is slower without a keyboard, and for raw editing I use a whole bunch of knobs. I could see maybe using it at the right type of session to quickly review images on a larger screen, but the last time I looked into it there wasn’t a super great way of doing that. Maybe I could cull photos on my iPad but unless I trans…

Dodging and burning and masking and using other photo-related tools with a mouse and keyboard feels like I'm producing a very calculated photograph. Using a stylus and multi-touch screen feels closer to the original affordances of crafting and manipulating a physical photograph. For the best of both worlds, I use the iPad in Sidecar / second-screen mode so I can use keyboard shortcuts with 1:1 stylus input.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by hayst4ck » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

candiddevmike wrote: post #12

Anyone use an iPad as their daily driver?

Some things work great on the iPad, and for those things the iPad is absolutely fantastic and I will often prefer to use it.

If you want to infinitely scroll, the iPad is unparalleled. It is great for reading and watching. I like it as a game device. It is great for reading news and I enjoy apple's news widgets. Kindle works well. If you want to consume, the iPad is an amazing tool for consumption.

Additionally in the last year, apple made it really easy to use your iPad as a second screen, either as an iPad or as a literal second screen for your macbook. I found myself doing that more and more.

I bought the apple pencil thinking it can't possibly be worth the money, but it is an enjoyable device to use. Writing text on an iPad is more gimmick than feature (for me), but I find it a pleasurable way to scroll or navigate apps.

That being said, once you want to do a task with a keyboard, there is no replacing a laptop. The iPad is also locked down (no terminal, only safari) such that a laptop is still necessary. The iPad is still very much a luxury device and could not stand on its own. Phones and laptops both have features that the iPad does not have that make them necessary. The iPad offers nothing that makes it necessary unless you consider an ancillary screen for your laptop necessary.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by yamtaddle » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

lupire wrote: post #147

Swizec wrote: post #73

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I bought an iPad in 2020 fully thinking it’s gonna collect dust like all my other tablets over the years. Nowadays I use it more than my laptop. With the magic keyboard and pen, it really has become the perfect portable computing device. Great for writing, great for sketching diagrams, even good for light coding (like for code samples). And it is fantastic for creating talk slides and even presenting full day worksho…

It seems like iPad's main feature is that Apple refuses to put a touchscreen or 180degree hinge on a laptop. Laptop has a bigger screen for drawing and coding.

> It seems like iPad's main feature is that Apple refuses to put a touchscreen or 180degree hinge on a laptop.

And extra sensors. And two good cameras, front and rear, with depth & all the other stuff that iPad/iPhone cameras have that Macbook cameras don't. And make it far thinner and lighter. And better speakers. And iOS so there's a touch-focused OS on it. And a cellular connectivity option.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by helf » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

I had an iPad for a long while way back. I bought the Retina one initially.

It was nice for what it was.

I just can’t get excited about anything iOS as unless you have REALLY bought into the “ecosystem” it’s a clusterfuck.

- File management is still a sick joke.

- unless they’ve really changed something that I’m unaware of (which I’ll admit is entirely possible) with “iPadOS” vs regular iOS, multitasking is still a pathetic joke. The state saving and pausing which relegates the devices to essentially fancy task switching and not real preemptive multitasking (other than extremely specific program scenarios and services functionality) which drives me insane. Why the hell does my SSH client have to constantly ping my location to get around the “you can run 13 seconds in the background before the OS forcefully state pauses you”? Why the fuck can’t apple give a nice little “this app can run run run till it’s little heart bursts in the background!” Toggle switch you can control?

People go on and on about iPhone battery life and… there’s a reason for that.

- The ridiculous sandboxing between programs that’s supposedly a security feature but just makes for an insufferably inconsistent UI and terrible management of data between programs … I guess that goes with my file management complaint.

I dunno. I just can’t abide a complete blackbox lockdown of my devices to the point of them being literal appliances. But apparently I’m in the minority there.

Also, most people appear to just be perfectly happy rapidly task switching. And having only most of their programs paused when switched from works fine for them I guess.

I will say for /consumption/ of say documents like PDFs and Comics, the iPad is fantastic. But outside of that basic usage they drive me insane.

Sorry for the meandering rant. I’m waiting for food with my 8yo and bored lol

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by blairbeckwith » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

dirheist wrote: post #160

caycep wrote: post #155

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There's a good local wedding photographer here who edits 90% of her commercial work on her iPad Pro now

Surely the full version of Adobe Lightroom on a mac would offer more features than the ipad?

Probably why she only edits 90% of her work on iPad. I think there's a huge percentage of non-developers who are exactly in this boat – can do 90% of their work on an iPad, and enjoy that experience, but keep a traditional computer around for the 10%.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by retskrad » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

Here in Scandinavia, the base iPhone 14 Pro Max, M2 MacBook Air and the new M2 iPad Pro all cost the same: $1,484. Good lord!

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by skyyler » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

carlob wrote: post #21

lma21 wrote: post #17

The iPad Pro is one of the expensive products that I never regret paying 800$ for. Incredible speed, smooth UX, long lasting battery, really doesn't even come close to the previous (Intel-powered) iPads.

Intel based iPads?

With context I think it's pretty clear that they meant tablet.

My thinkpad tablets are thick, hot, and the battery lasts around 3 hours of light use.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by hayst4ck » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #167

Would have bought it if it had a headphone jack. As it is, there's nothing here to get excited about over my M1 Pro.

I was pretty skeptical of AirPods. Now I could never go back.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by Spivak » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #35

Veliladon wrote: post #6

Still can't believe the M2 chip is hobbled with Stage Manager. Dear Apple, I want my iPad to become a Finder based full-fat macOS when it's on the Magic Keyboard and I want it to be Springboard when I take it off the Magic Keyboard. Make it happen already.

Yeah, I don't really know who Apple is hoping to sell these to. My ex-boyfriend bought one of the earlier iPad Pros with some grand ambitions, but he mostly ended up using it for Netflix, Twitter and emails. I think that totally legitimizes the existence of the smaller/cheaper models, but who is Apple selling these to in the long-term? Even the mediocre Surface Pro has a decent software experience that explains why s…

iPad Pro has a strong foothold in digital art. Not having to learn how to split brain with a Wacom is a game changer and there aren't many competitors in the space that aren't wayyyyy more expensive.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by yardie » Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

Swizec wrote: post #73

kaycebasques wrote: post #45

One current day iPad killer app IMO is Procreate. It's basically a more intuitive version of Adobe Illustrator completely optimized for iPad + iPen. I bought my then girlfriend (now wife :D) an iPad for her bday in 2020 accepting the risk that we're spending a lot of money on an activity she might not stick with (digital illustration). Happy to report that I was totally wrong and we have def gotten our money's worth…

I bought an iPad in 2020 fully thinking it’s gonna collect dust like all my other tablets over the years. Nowadays I use it more than my laptop. With the magic keyboard and pen, it really has become the perfect portable computing device. Great for writing, great for sketching diagrams, even good for light coding (like for code samples). And it is fantastic for creating talk slides and even presenting full day worksho…

I bought my wife an iPad Pro and then a Macbook Air after she complained she couldn't do some things on the iPad. Well, eventually she figured out how to do it on the iPad and the MBA has been collecting dust. I adopted the MBA because my trusty old MBP is damn near geriatric (2015) and it's like a shot in the arm. I should have bought it sooner for myself.