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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 12:24 PM UTC

happyhardcore wrote: post #183

gjulianm wrote: post #177

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Jobs had a pancreatic cancer with a very good chance of complete cure via surgery and chemotherapy. I think that a cure would have been a happier ending than suffering and dying from pancreatic cancer.

Pancreatic cancer actually has one of the worst survival rates; in the UK around 25% of people diagnosed survive past a year, with 5% living more than five years after diagnosis [0]. Chemo in those circumstances often has the effect of prolonging life while significantly decreasing the quality of life, and as such many people choose not to go through with it. [0] https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/pancreat…

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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by 11101010001100 » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 12:28 PM UTC

froggertoaster wrote: post #167

dspillett wrote: post #146

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> Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. Not the lightest of shades though, to many people? I'm sure there is good in Alex Jones. It is very well buried if so, but it probably does exist. I still feel justified in never wanting to interact with him and wishing the rest of the world didn't have to either. While we shouldn't be completely dogmatic and only consider someone's bad points¹, and I wouldn't say th…

Congrats, you just compared Steve Jobs to Alex Jones and proved the original commentor's point.

They are both humans after all.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by LewisVerstappen » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 12:36 PM UTC

jacooper wrote: post #158

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #108

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In what universe is Steve Jobs in the same category as dictators who killed tens of millions of people?

Cursed user name lol

Better than TotoHorner

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by mcphage » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 12:42 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #57

jakebasile wrote: post #13

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I'd suggest reading the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson. Humans are complex creatures and a distilled one sentence summation rarely does us justice.

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> He had no redeeming qualities. He was just an asshole who got lucky and then got rich enough that everyone enabled him.

He was an asshole, and also had a lot of redeeming qualities. They're not mutually exclusive. People aren't 2-dimensional, even if it's easier to pretend that they are.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by daniel-cussen » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 12:49 PM UTC

sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

There's no gray in chess. It's all blackwhite.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by alehlopeh » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 12:52 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #57

jakebasile wrote: post #13

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I'd suggest reading the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson. Humans are complex creatures and a distilled one sentence summation rarely does us justice.

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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by kzrdude » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 12:57 PM UTC

gjulianm wrote: post #179

kzrdude wrote: post #175

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A was struggling with one thought today, about my own resistance to medical therapy. A healthy body does not need medication. Yes or no? Or does medication make one healthy? There's not supposed to be an easy answer. I have some "heavy" duty ongoing medication I'm sad to depend on. (Let's not exaggerate though)

Medication can make one healthy. It can cure, prevent or control many diseases and conditions. Of course it's better to not need that medication, but when you need it it's better to take it than not.

IMO you're only fully healthy when you don't need medication anymore

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by JasserInicide » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 1:06 PM UTC

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #108

dbxkcichhdfufu wrote: post #62

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Hitler, mao and stalin can all go jump as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure they weren't pure evil either but sometimes people deserve the label.

In what universe is Steve Jobs in the same category as dictators who killed tens of millions of people?

In a universe with too many terminally online doomscrollers who make politics their personality

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by JasserInicide » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 1:10 PM UTC

rbut wrote: post #77

system2 wrote: post #42

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Ultra rich people don't need religion. Religion is for the people in need.

The rich are no different to the poor. They can't take their wealth with them.

Some people are so poor, all they have is money

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by notacoward » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 1:12 PM UTC

quitit wrote: post #172

elliekelly wrote: post #170

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> If you can’t put everything into a tidy little black or white box, your mind explodes. You might do well to exercise your self-awareness muscles a bit more.

The problem here is that I’ve brought up a scenario: people who frame Jobs as 100% one way or another (just like some people frame Apple as one way or another.) So what do you do? Frame him as one way - in this case in a bad light. Exactly as I stated some people do. And what? You’re upset that I don’t value your opinion on the matter because you can’t process inconvenient shades of grey. Sure quote Lisa, I could com…

> because different people have had different experiences with him

This is true, but also highlights an important asymmetry. Somebody who is an asshole only to some people is really an asshole all the time. They're just a smart asshole, aware of the need to secure others' cooperation or more generally manage others' opinion of them. By contrast, a nice person is no worse than neutral to (within epsilon of) everyone. They don't need to manipulate others into being allies.

> Everything exists in a shade of grey.

Both sides, eh? Even grey has different shades. Yes, we should consider all the information and reach nuanced conclusions, but there's nothing wrong with recognizing that someone's "default setting" was to treat others poorly and that others should not try to emulate them. The "brilliant asshole" archetype, of which Jobs was very much an exemplar, has done immeasurable harm to our industry, and a few stealth-PR "revelations" don't change that.