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Why don't more people use throat mics?

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Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#191
If all you are looking for is noise reduction, use a dynamic mic instead of a condenser.

Example condenser mic: Blue Yeti

You'll see a lot of streamers use these kinds of mics because you don't need to be right up on it.

Example dynamic mic: Shure SM58

Typically you'd see these kind of mics in performances or radio. They do require a pre-amp. I got a used ElectroVoice RE-20 (oft used in radio). Nobody can hear my kids yelling/playing/watching tv right behind me. Sound is phenomenal.

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#192

I'm curious as to why the author even thought that a throat mic would have good audio quality. Throat mics are designed for loud, high intensity situations. For the use case of a throat mic, "good audio quality" means the receiver can actually understand what you're saying, something that is pretty easy to achieve in a home office environment. And I'm sure that it's possible to make a throat mic that has great audio…

> I'm curious as to why the author even thought that a throat mic would have good audio quality. Throat mics are designed for loud, high intensity situations. For the use case of a throat mic, "good audio quality" means the receiver can actually understand what you're saying, something that is pretty easy to achieve in a home office environment. The good audio quality I thought would come from it being viable in a "l…

> I use it on most of my calls now, and I don't get any complaints

It's probably because people you are talking to are nice. It's a bit awkward to ask someone to invest a little in a better mic.

I did complain however to a colleague that his room is somehow generating a low-end feedback or standing wave. I measured the peak frequency and asked him to measure his room, but I couldn't confirm 100% if that's the reason :) Probably nobody else noticed it, it just annoyed me because I have studio monitors, I had to unplug them to understand him better.

If you are curious if it really has good audio quality, render a spectrogram of the throat mic and a professional podcasting mic and compare the image. The richer the image, the better it is.

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#193

I thought this was a satire. It looks like this is not. I like the fact that the author loves experimentation and tried this setup. I'm someone who still thinks Apple has not even solved the design of the AirPods/Pro. So, anything else that makes us like "Batman with a utility belt" is something I would find a more aesthetic alternative. For most of the video call needs, I have tried boom/condenser and XLR microphone…

Who sees a Jabra set as flaunt? Aren't they more blackberry than iphone?

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#194

Question for the microphone specialists here: what's your recommendation for the best pro-sounding microphone which can stay off camera? I think I'm looking for something direction with a ~2.5 foot sweet spot.

This is really hard to answer without knowing more about the room you want to use it in, how much you intend to move while speaking, whether it also has to be able to record other people present in the room or just your voice, and, most importantly, how much you're willing to pay for it.

You want it to be off camera. This means that a dynamic broadcast microphone is not a good choice. However, a condenser microphone might still work. They do pick up a lot of room noise, though.

For your requirements (which you might want to reconsider), the usual choices would be:

- A shotgun mic directed at your mouth from outside the camera. For example, the Sennheiser MKH 416 is often used ($800-$1000), the Rode NTG5 would be a cheaper but still expensive option.

- A hidden or hard to spot Lavalier microphone. These are the little microphones you see on TV that are clipped to the clothes. Good ones are rather expensive, too.

That being said, if it is for Skype calls, then I wouldn't recommend spending more than about $100-$150 on a mic, and I'd recommend either a dynamic microphone or a condenser microphone and getting as close to it as possible. I used a Rode M3 outside the camera angle for a long time and it had quite good quality, although spoken voice is certainly not it's primary use.

If you want higher quality, then you really need to say more about the purpose, your budget, and the room situation. Some reporters used to literally speak their voiceovers inside a closet full of clothes, which makes for excellent echo cancellation. Even a very cheap microphone can sound excellent without background noise and without room reverb (or in a room with good natural reverb).

Since you ask "best sounding" by the way: At a certain level this also depends a lot on your voice. The same mic can flatter one speaker's voice and make another speaker's voice sound ugly.

Final advice: Microphones are similar to headphones. Below $80 most of the stuff is crap. There are a few exceptions but be careful. Then there is a mid category between $100 to $300 that is a sort of sweet spot for non-professional users, and above that prices go up indefinitely. Once you know your price range and requirements, you can find some more affordable and even better alternatives to the well-known brands and choices with a bit of research, but you generally get what you pay for.

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#195

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Is this based on your experience having tried both? Because that reasoning is questionable. IEMs don't block all sound from hitting your eardrum, some of that sound will hit your eardrum via bone conduction. And ANC headphones do block some sound passively, the inner ear ANCs can often create an airtight seal.

Yes, I have tried both. However the only ANC I have experience with is AirPods Pro, so that's all I have to go on. But I can definitely say that IEMs do a better job than the AirPods.

Which IEM and tip did you get? Do you know why the IEM was better given that the Airpods Pro also plugs the canal?

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#196

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This actually sounds sick :) You know what is crazy, those microphone guns[0] mics might actually be amazing. I know that people (youtubers) actually have problems with being able to turn their A/Cs on because of the background noise... Rather than trying to remove that noise with AI/post processing or turning the A/C off maybe people should be looking into microphone guns. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Sony-ECMGZ1M-Zoo…

Marketing has pushed a lot of Youtubers towards LDCs like the Blue Yeti, which are great in a studio setting but pick up lots of background noise. For some reason everyone considers the SM7B as the way around that (despite being overkill and overpriced for their applications), which is a broadcast dynamic. Dynamics can handle fan noise and busy streets no problem. There are less expensive handheld dynamics which are…

I think a big part is the looks. The SM58 is not visually distinct from a $10 mic for a karaoke machine. The integrated pop filter means you don't even get to have the "super professional" look of a pop filter a few inches in front of your LDC.

I considered making a box that accepts inputs from dynamic mics, adds some warmth, and has a USB output, to make it easier to get the LDC sound from something like an SM58, but I think nobody would buy it.

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#197
For WFH, if you have your own space for working, then get a desktop conference speaker/mic, like the Plantronics Calisto 7200:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DCDKB2C

(Jabra makes something similar).

It has HW buttons for volume, answer, hangup, and mute - no hunting for the correct window to click a button.

It has noise filtering, good mic, and decent speaker quality. I've had many compliments on the audio quality. My keyboard sits 6" from the unit and nobody can hear me typing during calls (I'm a heavy-handed typist!).

Being free of a headset is wonderful. It can be BT or USB, I used USB so there's never any connection issues.

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#198

I went down this path once. For normal life everything about throat mikes is awful: the sound quality, discomfort, difficult to get positioned correctly, and get to transmit your swallowing sounds to the world.

But what if it had bluetooth though? There's a kickstarter in here, I know it! I just need someone on HN that is crazy about hardware to see this post.

https://iasus-concepts.com/wireless-headsets/stealth/

Re: Why don't more people use throat mics?

#199

For WFH, if you have your own space for working, then get a desktop conference speaker/mic, like the Plantronics Calisto 7200: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DCDKB2C (Jabra makes something similar). It has HW buttons for volume, answer, hangup, and mute - no hunting for the correct window to click a button. It has noise filtering, good mic, and decent speaker quality. I've had many compliments on the audio qu…

Also, these things are usually battery powered and work great in a pinch to turn any space into a conference room. If you've ever tried to have 4 people in a room on headphones or laptop speakers having a remote-inclusive meeting, you know it's challenging - such a device solves this problem.
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