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I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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I begged my parents for an electric guitar and they bought me one. But I didn’t enjoy my first couple of guitar lessons and my parents said “Whatever, quit.” Fast-forward my raging envy in high school at my friends shredding on stage while I could bang out a few chords.

Do you think you‘d be great at guitar, and love playing it, if your parents had forced you to take lessons?

For some reason this reminds me of maths at university - I initially hated it (and was dreadful at it) but had to do it because there was no flexibility in the course - you had to do 3 years of general engineering maths or fail the course. I eventually ended up really liking maths and focusing on more abstract and maths heavy elements of computer science.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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This is a heart wrenching read. I wish Wil all the best and I'm happy he did not harm himself.

I would also like to invite him to try and see the positive sides of his experience. It shaped him into a man that has been a role model for millions of young men via Star Trek. It may not have been what he wanted, but I'm glad he ended up doing it.

I don't know what depression feels like, but if can tell you that watching Wil Wheaton play tabletop games has always left me with a better mood than I had before.

So thank you, Wil, for bringing joy into my life. Don't let bad parts of your past define who you are.

To me, your tabletop games have been more inspirational than your Star Trek work. Lesser men would have cancelled the show when they found out they have a dice curse. You not only didn't cancel the show, you gracefully continued playing because to you it was just as important that the others have fun than that you yourself have fun. You, sir, are a legend and an inspiration, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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somehow this thread has become focused on piano / music lessons, from my reading of Will's post, his experience w.r.t. movie roles and his mother's part in that went way beyond "go practice your piano / violin / oboe" before you hang out with your friends" being discussed here

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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That's something me and my wife struggle with now that we have a child. We both wish we had been pushed more when it comes to music lessons. So, we think we will try to get him to learn piano or an other instrument (except violin). However, we will most likely put a time limit, if after 3 years he still doesn't really like it, he can give it up. The idea, is that I think that for certain things like music, it only re…

My wife had this idea that we had our kids learn less-popular instruments. Viola instead of violin, harpsichord instead of piano. Playing piano is super competetive, you could put a lot of effort into it and still there are so many better players than you. In comparison the local harpsichord community is very happy to have a new member, everybody is supportive and it is much easier for the kids.

That's a good idea... One reason I mentioned piano is that as an adult I finally decided to learn piano and I guess at a young age seeing his dad try to also learn the same instrument might be more motivating...

I do love the sound of harpsichord though :) But getting one at home is much harder whereas electronic pianos with good weighted keys are cheap and don't take so much space.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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There are tons of adults that are thankful their parents forced them to learn something (a second language, a musical instrument, ...). There are also tons of adults forever angry at themselves for complaining to the point their parents let them stop studying whatever "it" was. I learned Japanese as an adult. I know at least 3 Americans of Japanese descent angry at themselves for complaining to their parents to let t…

I think the answer is to let them try different things. There's going to be something that they like better than the others. If they keep begging you to stop making them do a thing, that's a clue that it's not the right one.

I think I'd like to say to my son when he gets older, "You have to have at least one skill you're actively developing that takes several years to master. It can be piano or chess or language or baseball or StarCraft or juggling, but it has to be something that takes time to master, and you have to spend at least a few hours every week in deliberate practice."

I also plan on modeling that behavior by having skills I continue to develop for the rest of my life.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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You mean like trying to get your kid into programming, which is a bit more common around here?

You’re not living vicariously through your child if they are just doing the same thing you do for a day job.

Not really. Two actors have more roles and more success than one actor, self-realization tends to be additive and never enough.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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Wow Will was such a part of my childhood watching Star Trek. Obviously, he didn't appear often but he was memorable simply because there were so few people as young as him on the show. Sad to hear this all around. This also brought back memories of me being required to play piano growing up. I hated piano, performing (recitals), playing in general. I was terrrribbleee (still am) and was put up in lessons for 12 years…

As I have young children of my own today, I'm faced with these questions. What is a healthy amount of pushing vs too much?

What about not at all? The only thing they need to be good, not even best, is the studies that will enable them to work. Just help them if they're falling behind. Os support them if they seem to have a passion for something in particular. But otherwise, let them have a life.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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Wow Will was such a part of my childhood watching Star Trek. Obviously, he didn't appear often but he was memorable simply because there were so few people as young as him on the show. Sad to hear this all around. This also brought back memories of me being required to play piano growing up. I hated piano, performing (recitals), playing in general. I was terrrribbleee (still am) and was put up in lessons for 12 years…

> What is a healthy amount of pushing vs too much?

I think that's really hard to answer. I was in a sort of opposite situation as you were as a kid. My sister and I started piano lessons when I was 7 or 8 years old. They went on for a year and a half or so. Neither of us liked practicing. Our mom told us if we didn't practice, we wouldn't have lessons anymore. So... we didn't have lessons anymore. Today, I really wish I could play, and wish my parents had pushed us harder to stick with the lessons.

But I could very easily see it going the other way (if not for piano, than for something else), with my sister and I being forced to do something we hated. So yeah, really hard to figure out where that balance is.

In contrast, just a couple years later I started playing trumpet in school, and did stick with that, at least through college. I was quite good at it (not really to the point I could play professionally, but good enough to score well in local and regional amateur competitions). But it's kinda hard to play a loud brass instrument in apartment and condo buildings without making some angry neighbors. It's another reason why I wish I could play piano, since electric ones have volume controls and headphone jacks.

Of course, obviously taking piano lessons is a much much much much more minor thing than being forced to be a child star and contemplating suicide...

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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post #34

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That's not true. I never pushed my kids and now that they are adults they are angry with my for not pushing them. For example, "Why didn't you make us play sports?" Well, if you had told me you wanted to play sports I would have supported you, but you never said anything. It turns out that kids don't really know have the maturity to do things unless pushed or encouraged by parents. Who knew?

Is it that they weren’t pushed to do sports, or is it that they were never given the opportunity to try it? IMO, my role as a parent is to expose my kids to as many things as I can. If the like it, I give them more, if they don’t, then we move on to something else.

> Is it that they weren’t pushed to do sports, or is it that they were never given the opportunity to try it?

I think ultimately the problem is that the child has the first-hand knowledge of their own experience, but not the mature perspective of age; and the adult has the mature perspective of age, but not the first-hand knowledge of the child's experience.

I have a toddler. Sometimes he knows he's tired needs to sleep; sometimes he needs to sleep but he refuses to accept that; sometimes he knows that he's not tired and won't be able to sleep.

I know that he often gets tired around a certain time, and that he often refuses to accept that he actually needs sleep.

So sometimes when he refuses sleep, I insist, and then he conks out immediately. I was right: my greater perspective as an adult was more accurate his immediate experience of wanting to stay awake.

But sometimes when he refuses to sleep, and I insist, he spends the next two hours tossing & turning and not being able to sleep. He was right: his personal experience of not being at all tired outweighed my greater perspective as a parent that he's normally tired at the time.

Neither one of us has enough information to make an informed decision on our own.

I think something similar happens with children. Children don't really know the potential reward of putting up with the grind of practicing for years, or the regret as an adult of missing out on those skills. But if it's excruciatingly painful, they certainly know it.

Adults know the potential reward of putting in the time, but they don't know the child's experience. So, when a child balks, is it because they're just facing the normal barrier of effort that everyone faces? Or are they really experiencing something excruciatingly painful? If it's the first and you push them, they'll be glad in the end. If it's the first and you don't push them, they'll regret it. If it's the second and you push them, they'll be resentful; if it's the second and you don't push them, everyone will be happier.

Neither the child nor the parents actually has all the information required to make an accurate decision.

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