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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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What workload do you do that 16GB isn't enough? Compiling large database backed .NET projects and Rust projects and AAA gaming all fit fine in 16GB

I regularly see my thinkpad exceed 20 GB with vscode, YouTube music, and docker hosting a frontend, backend, and simulated load. I've been sitting at 27 GB for the past two days with PyCharm open as well.

They are using as much memory as they can because it is available. Chrome is notorious for this. That is not a valid gauge for how much memory is necessary or even useful.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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The pointer stick on my HP isn't as good as the one on a thinkpad, but it's "okay." Of course my HP has a middle-button so the lack of that here is mind boggling to me.

Do you have a ZBook? Those have always had the middle mouse button (probably for people who use CAD etc). EliteBook trackpoints never had a middle button.

Yes, 15" zbook

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I can definitely see myself using this machine. 16GB is enough for me as I don’t use electron. 8 core Ryzen is decent too.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

Let me introduce you to my friend Java.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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While I agree I'm being picky; for you, what's the minimal spec OEM machine that would still necessitate that comment? If somebody came out today with a machine with 2GB of RAM, a 1024x600 display, and a 128GB SSD; we'd all agree that that's not a developer machine. So what's the minimum for you?

2012 MacBook Air with 8GB ram. Not ideal but I did found and bootstrap my entire startup just a few years ago using one. With that said, there are many caveats. The most glaring is that developer needs inevitably vary depending on the project and tooling requirements. For example, at my current day job, the computer I physically use is primarily a gateway to other, more powerful computers and systems. Doing anything…

> My comment in this case was triggered more by the way op phrased and presented their needy needs, I interpreted it as unreasonably narrow and selfishly entitled. I've encountered enough, neigh too many odd ducks IRL who come across this way and experientially, they've been "Homer Car" types every single time.

That's somewhat fair, but I did only have two criticisms, so I don't think I quite fit the homer car stereotype (although give it a few decades, and I'm sure I'll be "old man [yelling] at cloud") The rest... I couldn't critique, because we don't really have a solid spec.

Right now I'm using a laptop with 16GB of soldered on RAM; it's not the upgradability there that really concerned me, but rather the fact that they advertised 16GB as a solid selling point. 16GB these days, while respectable, isn't an impressive number. Advertising it as your base, without mentioning upgradability, seems a little out of touch. I don't use much memory myself, I'm a VIM user, and I avoid anything overly heavy, but I have colleagues who could make could use of that RAM.

As for the screen, that does come down to preference, to an extent. But, it's 2022, why has screen quality stagnated at FHD? HiDPI should have been standard half a decade ago.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

#195

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I can definitely see myself using this machine. 16GB is enough for me as I don’t use electron. 8 core Ryzen is decent too.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

Machine learning will generally swallow as much RAM as you can throw at it, assuming you're not just using a nvidia coprocessor with its own memory (and even in that case, you have to keep it fed).

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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To be brutally honest, this looks like a very lame laptop.

To make matters worse it's HP. I've been subjected to multiple laptops of theirs over the years thanks to work.

Counterpoint - my circa 2017 HP Spectre x360 is the best laptop I've ever bought, really happy with that purchase. Getting a bit long in the tooth, though.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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>Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license. A new M1 Macbook Air starts at $999, and will put that Ryzen to shame. Not to mention infinitely better build quality and battery life. Apple has always been a great value for the price, even if that price is slightly higher than the bargain bin stuff.

Even before the M1, you paid a small (IMO) premium for better build quality, a great trackpad and (before the butterfly) keyboard, a solid Unix with really great tailored applications, etc… With the M1 dominance (and inflation) there’s basically no premium at this point (although there is little to no low-end options).

If only the MacBook Air was user upgradable like the old 2017 models. There’d be little reason to buy anything else.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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It has a trackpoint with 2 buttons which tells us they did not put any serious effort into this input device. Would you use a 2 button mouse without scroll-wheel or a touchpad without 2-fingers scrolling? I suspect this low effort goes for the whole product which is a budget laptop with marketing directed at decision makers instead of users.

Actually, since they highlight “auto-tiling” window manager (I’m trying to see which one), I think the assumption is that users won’t be relying on the mouse all that much. Kind of the whole benefit of tiling window managers.

Pop!_OS ships with Pop Shell [1], an ambitious and well polished GNOME Shell extension inspired by i3wm.

[1] https://github.com/pop-os/shell#readme

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