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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by Broken_Hippo » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:35 PM UTC

cheeseomlit wrote: post #176

ajford wrote: post #85

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That's a truck-load of bullshit. Texas Gov. Abbot is pushing an anti-LGBTQ+ agenda in the open. He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse. The Texas right-leaning lege just got through passing a bill that was designed to be hard to assail in the courts that hands out money for turning in anyone who assist someone in seekin…

Chemically castrating a child is child abuse.

Delaying puberty is not chemical castration.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by frabbit » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:35 PM UTC

ch4s3 wrote: post #27

pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

That's okay. We can always play with semantic definitions of what it means to be a journalist -- and lock Julian Assange up without trial.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by squarefoot » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

meragrin_ wrote: post #175

squarefoot wrote: post #83

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Does it sound surprising that they all are Putin strong supporters?

"We're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia. "So we're supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate" Trump 2018 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nat…

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. (sarcastic)

So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well."

Trump 02/22/2022.

(emphasis mine)

Full audio interview here:

https://www.clayandbuck.com/president-trump-with-cb-from-mar...

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by president » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:40 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #30

pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

> And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely. I'm a liberal and would like to point out that fellow liberals say the same about conservatives. We're wasting energy and making enemies fighting a narrative warfare, and it's frankly very stupid. Jail the their protestors, but not our own. Deplatform their voice…

Agreed. If there's anything I've learned over the years, it's that Democrats and Republicans are equally nasty. The only difference is one side is much more powerful because they are supported by virtually every cultural institution that exists.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by dev_by_day » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:41 PM UTC

micromacrofoot wrote: post #149

commandlinefan wrote: post #81

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Please provide a single example of a media agency that is barred from publishing content because a "leftist" disagreed with it.

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con...

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou...

Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-inte...

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by t0suj4 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:41 PM UTC

prox wrote: post #75

pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

I found this article very enlightening : https://www.csis.org/features/kremlin-playbook-3 From the center of strategic and international studies. It describes how the same ideology (white male christian) worldview is connected to Putin and Trump, and how the West is viewed as decadent through the moral lens of the fundamentalist churches in both the US and the Russian orthodox church.

Conservatism is relative term. It basically means "keep what we have and carefully evaluate new things".

Conservatism in the US is not what conservatism in France is. Conservatism in Mexico is not what conservatism in Brazil is.

Putin's version of conservatism, as mentioned in the article, is only applicable to Russia and countries with similar culture.

Comparing Trump to Putin is like comparing Nixon to Brezhnev.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ch4s3 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #152

ch4s3 wrote: post #113

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Again, encouraging bad actors is 100% different from using the full power of the executive branch to persecute journalists which he did not do, and Russia does.

Yeah, Russia is definitely worse, but I wouldn't say 100% different. Trump loves Putin and the power he wields.

> Trump loves Putin and the power he wields.

That doesn't really mean anything on the ground. The situation in the US is 100% different. Some dumb-ass president can love authoritarian shit all they want, but don't have a ton of actual power to lock up journalists. Russia just today shut down its last non-government owned TV station. That just can't happen in the US legally, and the courts are quite protective of speech and property here. The Trump years saw numerous cases of supposedly friendly judges telling him to fuck off. And the few avenues he did have to legally attack journalists, like prosecuting their sources, he didn't use unlike the previous administration.

Frankly he's just a stupid demagogue, and a symptom of the erosion of trust in institutions. But he didn't wage war on the press. THere's no evidence to support that outside of his bluster. He belongs in jail, but not for this.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ajford » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:43 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #165

ajford wrote: post #85

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That's a truck-load of bullshit. Texas Gov. Abbot is pushing an anti-LGBTQ+ agenda in the open. He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse. The Texas right-leaning lege just got through passing a bill that was designed to be hard to assail in the courts that hands out money for turning in anyone who assist someone in seekin…

In the Context of politics being preference: “ He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse.” Isn’t this, by definition, a very debatable topic with pros and cons that have to be weighed. Where one comes down, I.e. their preference for policy on this, will be informed by their background and biases. E.g. it isn’t entirely obv…

The treatment administered to minors is reversible.

Studies show that gender-affirming treatments and care can reduce thoughts of suicide and self-harm.

No one is pushing these treatments on unwilling minors. To take away peoples' rights to these treatments is unconscionable. And to direct people to be charged or investigated for child abuse is even more so. It's just another point that puts people in fear of the authorities.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by hunterb123 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:45 PM UTC

lkxijlewlf wrote: post #136

gotoeleven wrote: post #130

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Do you remember all the reporting about russia and trump during this time? Would you call that news fake or not fake?

But, there is a connection between the two. Even his own children have admitted they get most all of their money from Russia (for example).

Prime example of the effects of biased reporting ^

There's a difference between having LEGITIMATE business long BEFORE your dad has power vs. getting put on a board of a corrupt energy company WHILE your dad is overseeing the country relations as VP. One is capitalism, one is nepotism.

But all that being said, the statement "they get most all of their money from Russia" is wrong at face value. Their businesses do not get the majority of revenue from Russia. Back that statement up with a source so it can be torn apart.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ch4s3 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 7:49 PM UTC

frabbit wrote: post #192

ch4s3 wrote: post #27

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That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

That's okay. We can always play with semantic definitions of what it means to be a journalist -- and lock Julian Assange up without trial.

Assange should be let go, what's happened to him has been awful. But that's the result of the Obama administration's policy and is literally 1 person vs. the eradication of all independent press in an entire nation. We should free Assange and condemn Russia jailing at least 293 journalists right now.