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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ch4s3 »

cromd wrote: post #97
ch4s3 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also not true at all. There was no war on any journalists. I'm not aware of a single journalist jailed by the Trump DOJ, the FCC didn't yank any licenses, nothing. It was all talk.

This seems to be largely about your definition of war. No elections were overturned, but could you say he waged war on elections? He had his team out there saying that Hugo Chavez created the rigged voting machines and that it was statistically impossible for Biden to have won. It was an ideological war, not a physical war. You don't have to jail anyone to nonetheless do broad damage to an institution. I agree that p…

Being a shit-bag and. a bully just isn't a "war". Arguably the controversy saved most of the legacy media landscape from financial ruin and gave them 4 more years to adjust to some new revenue models, the NYT in particular seems to have figured out how to pivot to a profitable online subscriber model that works. It wasn't clear in mid 2016 that they would be able to do that.

You can make a good case that the guy damaged the discourse and eroded trust in institutions, but news and journalism have flourished in recent years.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by encryptluks2 »

dehrmann wrote: post #109
adventured wrote: post #88

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> The FBI drove that plot to kidnap a state governor in fact... For the curious, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/us/whitmer-kidnapping-tri...

This is one of many incidents of government agencies that run amok and often unchecked. If the US public were to be informed of the true scale of the American intelligence apparatus it would destroy the US's public image for decades.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by jagrsw »

vernie wrote: post #93
figaroniguzo wrote: post #62

Europe just banned Russian TVs from broadcasting because they didn't agree with the content... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-bann...

What TVs are made in Russia?

I used to have Viesna (spring) - https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/ussr-tv-vesna-c-276-3d-...

It even had an additional electronic component which made it accept PAL signal, in addition to its native SECAM.

PS: Some say SECAM was technically superior to PAL, but dunno.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by bastardoperator »

EtherTyper wrote: post #46
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Or for a more concrete example, look at how both Republicans and Democrats are treating Julian Assange. Investigative journalism and whistleblowing are under attack by all political factions and by the justice system, today. We cannot treat anti-free-press authoritarianism in the West as an "early stage" or tomorrow's problem.

How are they treating him considering he's still in the UK?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by lkxijlewlf »

gotoeleven wrote: post #130
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Do you remember all the reporting about russia and trump during this time? Would you call that news fake or not fake?

But, there is a connection between the two. Even his own children have admitted they get most all of their money from Russia (for example).

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

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Post by Already__Taken »

_ph_ wrote: post #35
akomtu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

As a non-american, I can see how some actions of the left seem to be a bit over the top and as things escalated might really got a bit extreme too. But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong? Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

As an outsider "name of grotesque moral rightnessess" thrown from the Christian right made me spit my coffee out.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by lkxijlewlf »

squarefoot wrote: post #83
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Does it sound surprising that they all are Putin strong supporters?

Nope. Putin has played the long game by buying sympathy from the American Right.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by user-the-name »

EtherTyper wrote: post #46
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Or for a more concrete example, look at how both Republicans and Democrats are treating Julian Assange. Investigative journalism and whistleblowing are under attack by all political factions and by the justice system, today. We cannot treat anti-free-press authoritarianism in the West as an "early stage" or tomorrow's problem.

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