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Nature pays their editors, unlike most society journals. But they are a for-profit business, and are clearly just looking for more profit. The expected lifetime value of any article in Nature Neuroscience for the authors is well above $11,390, as that is probably 1% of the typical grant that will produce the article, and getting published in this venue makes it much easier to continue to get grants funded, to get top…
This is not true most grants do not allow for OA money or you have to take it from other lines (salaries, equipment...) and deal with that internally. But in the end it is taken from your research fund, the university is also taking a portion of the grants as indirect costs and a part of those pay for the yearly increasing secret library contracts (they are confidential you can't even get them with a FOIA). So in the…
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nature pays their editors, unlike most society journals. But they are a for-profit business, and are clearly just looking for more profit. The expected lifetime value of any article in Nature Neuroscience for the authors is well above $11,390, as that is probably 1% of the typical grant that will produce the article, and getting published in this venue makes it much easier to continue to get grants funded, to get top…
Note: Are we sure this is a mandatory charge or just the charge if the authors must publish an immediate open access article. I just published in Nature Metabolism and there was no charge at all. The quality of the review and editing was EXTRAORDINARY! I wanted to thank all of the reviewers for doing a superb job. Had I required immediate open access then it would have cost! But with both full versions in bioRxiv and…
My experience was that the editor and reviewers were more focused on the impact of the work rather than the technical quality. It was all about whether the work was Nature-level status; there were no changes to any of the analysis or the body of the paper, just the intro and conclusions. It felt slimy so I decided to only publish in non-profit society journals from then on.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Conferences cost money. You have to rent an appropriate venue, people tend to expect refreshments, etc. Why would it be free just because you are presenting there? So are most of the attendees.
doesn't it cost to go to the conference? I would expect the people who are listening to the presentation to be the ones paying, not the one giving the presentation.
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Is the typical grant for a Nature Neuroscience study really over $1.1 million?
Graduate student in a neuroscience lab at a tier 1 institution in the US here. $1.1 million for a grant is very normal. I cost my advisor over $100k per year in tuition and stipend, not including the costs of any equipment and reagents that I use.
Is ground-breaking neuroscience research only performed at tier 1 universities?
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Graduate student in a neuroscience lab at a tier 1 institution in the US here. $1.1 million for a grant is very normal. I cost my advisor over $100k per year in tuition and stipend, not including the costs of any equipment and reagents that I use.
Tier 1 - dedicated channel for funding, right? Is ground-breaking neuroscience research only performed at tier 1 universities?
Absolutely not. I'm just sharing my perspective. People don't seem to realize the sheer amount of money that circulates in these institutions. A decent confocal microscope costs $500k, and core facilities aren't cheap either.
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he meant per year...
What, less than 1000 USD per month? But that's a joke. In the Netherlands it's something like... 2800 EUR or 3000 EUR per month, so let's say 3000 - 3300 USD / month. I know the Netherlands PhD candidates have it relatively well (in relative, not absolute, terms), but I find it hard to believe people are expected to live off of 900 EUR / month. Is it really that bad these days?
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he meant per year...
What, less than 1000 USD per month? But that's a joke. In the Netherlands it's something like... 2800 EUR or 3000 EUR per month, so let's say 3000 - 3300 USD / month. I know the Netherlands PhD candidates have it relatively well (in relative, not absolute, terms), but I find it hard to believe people are expected to live off of 900 EUR / month. Is it really that bad these days?
Minimum wage in greece is 730 usd. Many if not most phds earn less than $1000, if they are lucky to have stable funding. Hence brain drain
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Because they can brag annd say "I published in Nature". I've seen that so often, same thing with the various "Science something" journals that get transformed as "In my Science article..."
The best is the borderline-predatory journal called "Journal of Nature and Science". "My track record includes numerous publications in Nature and Science."
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#199I’ll never forget getting my first paper accepted to a conference, only to learn that presenting will cost a mere $600. Work paid for it but still - what an absolute racket academia is.
Some conferences are institutions, have a formal organization that stands behind them and it is well organized so has some of these costs figured out and planned well in advance. Many are not. Many conferences are organized by different institutions each year, and are organized in turns by the hosting institution at locally available venues.
Imagine a small conference organized by a small department and it's total budget: - 100 presenters * $500 registration + 100 attendees * $100 registration = $60000
You need a venue. Many departments do not have resources to organize conferences in a presentable manner (lack of space, lack of rooms/halls). So you need a venue. Plus if the conference is in a nice venue, for a cheaper price - it will certainly be attended more.
Let's say that you were lucky and that some hotel accepted to be exclusive venue and they offered all of their equipment and halls, if at least 50 participants decided to book a room for the duration of the entire conference and there were 50 such participants. That way, you don't have to rent the hotel's halls and their projectors/laptops/screens/microphones.
You will still need to pay for this:
- costs to get respectable keynote lecturers and pay for their travel fees, room, meals, etc.
- organizing teams costs (even if they volunteer their time, they still have traveling expenses to visit the venue at least several times and organize local issues)
- hosting for a dedicated web-site for many years to come + web designer to support it 24/7 during the call for papers and during the conference
- print/publish the proceedings + editor
- venue for either the opening or the closing ceremony or some joint excursion or museum visit or all of these if you want to leave an impressiong that you are a host that wants to pamper their guests (if you don't pay for at least some of these, most people will not come next year, as the point of the event is to be a socializing trigger, and socialization always happens in the margins of the conference, at these social events, so the whole point of the conference will be lost if you don't take care for at least several such events)
- at least 2/3 photographers to cover social events and parallel sessions
- finger food / coffee / drinks / even water during breaks, maybe lunch for all participants
- banners, badges, posters, ...
I have organized an international conference and I can say that this is just the surface. If you organize an IT conference, you need to take into account that each participant will have at least 2 online devices, maybe more. So you will need wifi access points and routers capable of peaks in new wifi associations ranging from 200-300 per minute, or more. You will need a lot of electricity cables and plugs, power convereters etc. Most hotels doing small gatherings for 100-200 persons, are in fact organized to accomodate weddings and not IT professionals and their net streaming needs.
Do you own total, depending on wherever you are. In some countries this will cost much more than the budget, in some less so their might be something left to pay the organizers and even volunteers for their effort. Not much, but at least something so they do not avoid you when you decide to organize another conference in two years.
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As an academic (unrelated to this journal and field), I’ve more or less stopped accepting to review papers because of the low reward… that is, there are virtually no incentives to me as a professor to do this and it takes a lot of time to do proper reviews. I have better things to do with my time. I attended an ACM webinar some years ago on the topic of open access, and while the OA fees weren’t as high as this one,…
I think the ACM should support young and female researchers by making all their papers open access, publicly endorsing Sci-hub, and committing to send Sci-hub some money every month. That would have a much bigger impact than scholarships and workshops.
ACM has an authorizer service that allows you as an author, to publish special links on your personal website, that will offer all visitors of your personal web-site free downloads of your papers.
Those who are interested in your paper don't need an account, they just need to click on the special links published on your website and the paper will be free to download in PDF.