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Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Just increase the number of co-authors and split the cost ;-)

A stealth measure to encourage cooperation among researchers!

Mandatory voluntary collaboration + pass around the hat. Paper bylines will only be 3 pages long but everyone will finally get credit (except undergrad and grad students, they're free labor anyhow).

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#92
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to have misunderstood. The authors don't get paid anything for publishing. Nature typically puts papers behind a paywall. Nature will make a paper available for free if the authors pay Nature ~11k.

It's like ransomware for research

Send 0.6875 BTC to address 188bBz5TPXNC46wVWhkA5ZDqSQBM4EqK8u to unlock this federally-funded research paper or it will be deleted in 195.4 hours.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#93
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This seems like a fair price. If there are 30 articles in an issue of Nature that’s 360,000 per issue assuming everyone eventually publishes open access and subscriptions go to zero. That seems like a very reasonable cost for editing etc.

This is sarcasm, right?

Why? I hope this isn't a critique of the form "Why does Dropbox have 3,000 employees, I could build it in a weekend." There are a lot of costs to producing an issue of Nature.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#94

I’ll never forget getting my first paper accepted to a conference, only to learn that presenting will cost a mere $600. Work paid for it but still - what an absolute racket academia is.

Conferences cost money. You have to rent an appropriate venue, people tend to expect refreshments, etc. Why would it be free just because you are presenting there? So are most of the attendees.

Sure, but $600 felt like a massive over expenditure to me.

And there was no conference - this was in 2020, so the entire thing was virtual. No refreshments either. Also, every staff member I met was a “volunteer”.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#95
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sarcasm, right?

Why? I hope this isn't a critique of the form "Why does Dropbox have 3,000 employees, I could build it in a weekend." There are a lot of costs to producing an issue of Nature.

The bulk of the heavy lifting for any scholarly journal is done by unpaid volunteers. JOSS calculates their cost of publishing a paper at around $100. What additional expenses does Nature incur that justify charging two orders of magnitude more?

https://blog.joss.theoj.org/2019/06/cost-models-for-running-...

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#96
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: Are we sure this is a mandatory charge or just the charge if the authors must publish an immediate open access article. I just published in Nature Metabolism and there was no charge at all. The quality of the review and editing was EXTRAORDINARY! I wanted to thank all of the reviewers for doing a superb job. Had I required immediate open access then it would have cost! But with both full versions in bioRxiv and…

Were the reviewers paid?

As an academic (unrelated to this journal and field), I’ve more or less stopped accepting to review papers because of the low reward… that is, there are virtually no incentives to me as a professor to do this and it takes a lot of time to do proper reviews. I have better things to do with my time.

I attended an ACM webinar some years ago on the topic of open access, and while the OA fees weren’t as high as this one, I asked how they could defend these fees… the answers weren’t entirely satisfactory to me — in general they claimed obviously admin costs, but also that such funds were used to support other well-meaning things ACM deals with such as scholarships/workshops etc for young and female researchers among other things… Personally, while these are good things for ACM to support, I dislike the somewhat arbitrary connection to OA publishing… PS: I’m not sure if this is still their policy.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#97

Let’s stop reviewing for publishers that profit from research! Join the strike! https://josephpcohen.com/w/reviewerstrike/

There needs to be nonprofit co-op publisher(s) for the scalable benefit of many institutions. Pack-up and form equivalent new journals.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#98

Lot of people in the comments here don't understand the Open Access funding model. Please read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access

Or people fully understand that the bulk of the work that goes into a journal is done by unpaid volunteers and are appalled at the sticker price.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#99

Let’s stop reviewing for publishers that profit from research! Join the strike! https://josephpcohen.com/w/reviewerstrike/

I also have an initiative to boycott reviewing for closed-access journals with currently >350 signers. If you agree, consider signing it :) https://nofreeviewnoreview.org/

Indeed, for-profit publishing only works because researchers are willing to do free reviewing work for such publishers.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

#100

Let’s stop reviewing for publishers that profit from research! Join the strike! https://josephpcohen.com/w/reviewerstrike/

I wish this would work but it won’t. They’ll just get shittier reviewers who’re willing to do it. ImmigrNt researchers use reviews as evidence of expertise so there’s at least one group of folk who are incentivized to review for anyone.
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