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Your post was correctly flagged because it was both snarky and off topic, plus the meta aspect is invariably flamebait...or something-bait anyhow.
Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study
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So the CDC lied and now that lie is coming back to bite them when people doubt what they say going forward? And please, Delta was starting to circulate before the vaccine was widely available outside the US and Europe. But that’s exactly what I’m talking about. The unvaccinated make a good scapegoat for the failure to properly message.
IMO the errors that cost 800,000 Americans their lives were made last year. The President publicly denied the seriousness of the situation. The CDC didn't want to use a foreign test and made their own but they were all contaminated and always read positive. There was minimal contract tracing of travelers. The Surgeon General told Americans not to wear masks saying using masks incorrectly would harm them.
Haven’t most of the deaths happened this year? Sure we may have started off wrong but clearly we could have course corrected? Or are Americans too stupid to understand the risks and trade offs?
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So the CDC lied and now that lie is coming back to bite them when people doubt what they say going forward? And please, Delta was starting to circulate before the vaccine was widely available outside the US and Europe. But that’s exactly what I’m talking about. The unvaccinated make a good scapegoat for the failure to properly message.
If they promote very cautious behavior (keep sheltering in place, wear masks) people will throw the catch phrase of "Trust the science!" back at them and demand why the vaccine has not solved the pandemic. If they loosen up on recommendations and something bad happens and they have to take a step back people say they are being capricious.
Or they could just be honest and stop claiming a solution they don’t even know will work?
It’s classic PR rule #1 - don’t lie because the lie will eventually catch up to you. It’s better to say you don’t know.
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So you are lying then. What do you gain out of misleading people with your rhetoric here?
Please do not cross into personal attack. It only makes things worse.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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Did you know you happened to be speaking to one such expert? Today is your lucky day, it’s your chance to enlighten me: what were the experts wrong about?
- herd immunity - driving R-value below 1 will cause Covid to extinguish itself - vaccine will prevent infection - vaccinated can get infected but don’t really infect others
Can you list those experts?
Because none of the actual experts I heard or read about said that.
A simple google search about those points also reveal optimistic opinions by various people and not one instance where experts claim so.
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Did you know you happened to be speaking to one such expert? Today is your lucky day, it’s your chance to enlighten me: what were the experts wrong about?
- herd immunity - driving R-value below 1 will cause Covid to extinguish itself - vaccine will prevent infection - vaccinated can get infected but don’t really infect others
Driving Rt below one will cause any species to go extinct. That’s just basic maths. If it’s not happening, then Rt is not below 1.
As for the rest, you’re taking ideas that have some truth to them, and probably misinterpreting what these things actually mean and taking them unreasonably far or to the extreme:
- Herd immunity is a thing, but I'm not sure how you imagine it in your head, or what you think that means.
- Vaccines do prevent infections, but not perfectly well. This (or the contrary) has been communicated to the public in very confusing ways.
- It is true that vaccinated people have a lower likelihood of transmitting SARS-CoV-2 to others. I'm not sure if you think that means it should be perfect, but biology is messy.
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> Fucking Republicans As a vaccinated, boosted republican, this attitude isn't helping. Yeah, there are a bunch of idiotic republican politicians out there. But there are also a lot of idiotic democrat politicians out there who aren't making COVID policy decisions based on science and evidence, but based on their ideological side: outdoor mask mandates, travel bans, blocking people's access to their own private prope…
That's a false equivalency. Republicans have been far, far worse. They have been anti-science across the board on all kinds of policy. Donald Trump is absolute low point in American history. The guy who said vaccines cause autism, pushed unproven and dangerous treatments, pressured scientists to change their recommendations, called climate change a hoax, wanted to nuke a hurricane and rake a forest. He owns the party…
Please don't take HN threads further into partisan flamewar hell, especially not after someone just tried to get the baby halfway out of the burning tar. We don't want this kind of thing here because it's entirely predictable and nearly always nasty.
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That's a false equivalency. Republicans have been far, far worse. They have been anti-science across the board on all kinds of policy. Donald Trump is absolute low point in American history. The guy who said vaccines cause autism, pushed unproven and dangerous treatments, pressured scientists to change their recommendations, called climate change a hoax, wanted to nuke a hurricane and rake a forest. He owns the party…
Some of the things you've said are just flat out incorrect. It's blatantly obvious you're parroting CNN and Late Show hacks.
Please do not take HN threads further into flamewar. Not what this site is supposed to be for.
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That's a false equivalency. Republicans have been far, far worse. They have been anti-science across the board on all kinds of policy. Donald Trump is absolute low point in American history. The guy who said vaccines cause autism, pushed unproven and dangerous treatments, pressured scientists to change their recommendations, called climate change a hoax, wanted to nuke a hurricane and rake a forest. He owns the party…
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Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and respectfully.
Partisan flamewar is not welcome here either, regardless of how right you are or feel you are.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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- herd immunity - driving R-value below 1 will cause Covid to extinguish itself - vaccine will prevent infection - vaccinated can get infected but don’t really infect others
Can you list those experts? Because none of the actual experts I heard or read about said that. A simple google search about those points also reveal optimistic opinions by various people and not one instance where experts claim so.
Your Google skills are weak. The examples are easy to find.
The CDC said that the vaccinated can only “rarely” infect others.
And before you say “but Delta!”, Delta was already dominant around the time of the statement.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/cdc-vaccinated-del...