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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Macha »

plausibility wrote: post #180
dagw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But surely Apple and Samsung pay the same VAT, so a Samsung phone that costs $900 should sell for more than an iPhone that costs $800 if it was only VAT. Except that doesn't happen. The $800 iPhone costs the same (or more) as the $900 Samsung in Europe. Apple's relative markup compared to Samsung is much higher in Europe than in the US.

Something I've noticed a lot with tech products is that they "cost the same" (in number value) in USD as well as Euros or GBP, which actually makes them cheaper in the US. Take for example, the Awair Element air quality meter: - Ordering in the US: USD$299[0] (~￡224) - Ordering in the UK: GBP￡299[1] (~$360 USD at the time of writing) Even including 20% VAT in UK it should only cost around ￡270 by my calculations. Is…

I've also seen the following for $ to € price comparisons:

1. Change $ sign to €

2. Add VAT

3. Round up to nearest x49/x99 marketing price.

Apple at times have been guilty of this method in my country at least

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by yellowapple »

officeplant wrote: post #150
mbilker wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "cosmetic restrictions" are the "Activate Windows" watermark and the inability to change any setting under Personalization in Settings.

The best part being if you don't allow it to get online during the initial setup you can go change all the personalization settings. It will only lock you out once you get online and it verifies its not activated. I can deal with just having that watermark when I only boot into win10 for a few specific programs.

It's also pretty straightforward to emulate a KMS server and activate Windows that way. Technically against the EULA, I'm sure, but Microsoft doesn't seem very motivated to do anything about it (certainly not for individual users).

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by yellowapple »

ayushnix wrote: post #170
kevinherron wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. All these reviews are conveniently ignoring this. Some of them I’ve seen even just left it at 2x scaling and did the whole video with a giant cartoonish UI that had no actual usable space. For Linux users this display needs to be either 1500x1000 or 3000x2000.

> Some of them I’ve seen even just left it at 2x scaling and did the whole video with a giant cartoonish UI that had no actual usable space. Either that or they keep it at 1x scaling and just scale the fonts instead which is a pretty degraded and compromising experience if you use GUI apps and not just the terminal. But this is conveniently omitted when singing praises about Framework. The laptop has a broken display…

> Either that or they keep it at 1x scaling and just scale the fonts instead which is a pretty degraded and compromising experience if you use GUI apps and not just the terminal.

Is it? Because this is exactly what I do on mine (w/ GNOME + PaperWM) and it's fantastic having so much space. I don't even scale the fonts, either.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by ayushnix »

yellowapple wrote: post #193
ayushnix wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some of them I’ve seen even just left it at 2x scaling and did the whole video with a giant cartoonish UI that had no actual usable space. Either that or they keep it at 1x scaling and just scale the fonts instead which is a pretty degraded and compromising experience if you use GUI apps and not just the terminal. But this is conveniently omitted when singing praises about Framework. The laptop has a broken display…

> Either that or they keep it at 1x scaling and just scale the fonts instead which is a pretty degraded and compromising experience if you use GUI apps and not just the terminal. Is it? Because this is exactly what I do on mine (w/ GNOME + PaperWM) and it's fantastic having so much space. I don't even scale the fonts, either.

> Is it? Because this is exactly what I do on mine (w/ GNOME + PaperWM) and it's fantastic having so much space. I don't even scale the fonts, either.

Good for you I guess. I, for one, can't read text at size 6 or 8 and I know most people can't either. The only case where this might make sense is if you're using your display to watch movies and play games and have minimal or no involvement with text.

Even if it does work for you, I think it should obvious that most people can't use their laptops/desktops like this and anyone who sings praises for a laptop like Framework should mention the flaws as well.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by jdhn »

warner25 wrote: post #92
marcodiego wrote: post #10

From https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop : “ There has been immense interest in this configuration, with it outselling pre-configured systems with Windows 10 by a wide margin.” There is a market. And it is currently under-served.

I believe that the Framework DIY Edition is bringing more new users to the Linux desktop than anything in recent memory. People all over the Framework forum are talking about trying Linux for the first time on their new DIY Edition machines. When buyers need to opt-in to Windows for $139, it seems to stop the inertia. This is true even in my own case, even though I've used Linux on and off at home and at work for the…

>I believe that the Framework DIY Edition is bringing more new users to the Linux desktop than anything in recent memory.

Framework DIY orderer here. I plan on putting Linux on it because I wanted to try something other than Windows. I'm excited, but admit that I'm a bit scared as this is my first time diving into Linux.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by kowalej »

I also have issues with vPro battery drain. I accidently bought the vPro AX210 wifi module, with a non vPro capable processor, but it still seems to cause issues. I guess it's a wifi module specific problem, even though vPro should not be enabled on the system?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by aunty_helen »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #74
aunty_helen wrote: post #66

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It’s ‘possible’ maybe unlikely at 3€ However there is a license recycling market that buy up unused or reassignable licenses from say software shops that have gone under and still have 100 visual studio licenses etc

Yes, i want to go legit by paying pirates for, checks notes, buying grey market license keys that could be disabled at any moment

These aren't pirates, they buy the licenses from defunct business in the same way you would buy an office chair.

Checks notes to be arogant And it says here they're entitled to do so.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

sdorf wrote: post #116

I've been using mine (min-spec 1135 DIY) for ~4 days on Sway+Manjaro; the hardware feels really good and for all the considerations made towards repairability, it feels like a no-compromises premium piece of hardware. It was nice to be able to take hardware that I have laying around (i.e. SSD and RAM) and put it to use. The biggest disappointment so far is directly related to the processor offering: - It feels like i…

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Post by sdorf »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #178
sdorf wrote: post #116

I've been using mine (min-spec 1135 DIY) for ~4 days on Sway+Manjaro; the hardware feels really good and for all the considerations made towards repairability, it feels like a no-compromises premium piece of hardware. It was nice to be able to take hardware that I have laying around (i.e. SSD and RAM) and put it to use. The biggest disappointment so far is directly related to the processor offering: - It feels like i…

That battery drain might be caused by that vPro issue someone mentioned above.

I ordered the module without vPro, so I don't believe that should be the case.

I've heard a ~3% drain rate per hour and that about lines up with what I'm seeing... i.e. if I'm working on one of my hobby projects and want to shelve things with all the same context I can't just "close the laptop" and come back to things a few days later without juggling the laptop on a charger at some point.

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Post by horsawlarway »

Causality1 wrote: post #159
Mikeb85 wrote: post #59

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Tap to click. No one actually physically clicks the corner of the touchpad.

So when you're mousing you hover your thumb over the pad? That's not tiring?

At least for me - I don't really use my thumb at all unless I'm trying to click and drag.

I click with the fingers doing the navigation, by simply raising and lowering them real fast.

If I'm clicking and dragging, I'll leave my pointer finger on the pad and raise and lower my thumb (it rests on the pad by default).

Don't get me wrong - I still much prefer a physical mouse, but if I have to use a touchpad I don't want to have to guess at where a button or scrollbar might be.

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