On a related, note Alarms still work even when the phone is "powered off".
I get it because it's saved me once or twice. Nothing serious just reminders for various things. Overall net helpful from my view.
iPhone remains findable after power off
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Almost all of the digs at Apple have been things that apply industry wide and it is an interesting observation. There was one recently worded something like "EU to require Apple to update phones for 7 years" but if you look at the actual proposal, it applies to all phone makers and Apple is the only one anywhere close to compliant to this proposal. Other scandals like Samsung disabling the cameras when unlocking the…
I don't know I feel Apple really got worse than the competition. It started with "You are holding it wrong.", horrible keyboards, "you need to use USB-C for everything, except our iphones come with lighting + old USB cables", to charge your mouse you need to plugin the cable on the bottom etc. That's kind of standard. Yet, the recent moves: Snitch Software that works against the user with a worldwide localization net…
This is sort of more of the same as what I was saying. Android phones have horrible hardware flaws and they don't gain much attention. At the same time as "You are holding it wrong" Nexus 5x phones where bricking due to bad NAND chips. Nexus 6P phones where crashing due to battery issues similar to the iphone but they did not throttle the phone and left it to crash. Samsung had phones that would explode in to fireballs. Samsung's flip phones crack at the fold and are extremely expensive to fix. Google Photos has been doing the exact same image scanning for the whole lifetime of the product and no one noticed or cared.
All OEMs have had hardware issues or scandals but they are all quickly forgotten while any fault on an iPhone becomes memorialized forever. They were all real faults but they weren't ever any worse than the rest, only more news worthy.
There are an endless
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
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Ultimately it doesn't really matter anyway. Unless you are the worlds most wanted criminal and Apple is working with the government to track you down via your turned off iphone. And in that case, you should have done your research to see this anyway. If the average user blows past this message, it has no impact on their life.
From the referenced tweet thread about someone finding this out for the first time: In other news I updated my phone to iOS 15 and put it down to charge last night. When I woke up it was hot, and my battery has gone from 100% to 15% since 7:30am. I gotta get off this ecosystem. "My phone's battery life has suddenly become much worse" sure sounds like a major impact to me.
That has nothing to do with this change. It doesn't even seem like they had their phone turned off for this to be in play anyway. The most likely answer is that they hit a bug in the new update or that they placed their phone off centered on a wireless charger. I'm not sure why the general public should care about rare bugs in day one updates which get patched pretty quick anyway.
The turned off pings use an ultra low power mode similar to the airtags which should last months on a "flat" battery.
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#194On a related, note Alarms still work even when the phone is "powered off". I get it because it's saved me once or twice. Nothing serious just reminders for various things. Overall net helpful from my view.
Is that new in iOS 15? They never used to - it was something I missed when switching from the Nokia ecosystem (Symbian/Meego) to iOS. It's nice for turning your phone off at night but still using it as an alarm clock.
Edit: Just tested it. Sadly it still doesn't work. iOS 15 on an iPhone SE (2016).
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
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Ultimately it doesn't really matter anyway. Unless you are the worlds most wanted criminal and Apple is working with the government to track you down via your turned off iphone. And in that case, you should have done your research to see this anyway. If the average user blows past this message, it has no impact on their life.
Yup. “Nothing to hide!”
This makes no sense. If you want to hide, just tap the warning and it gives you the option to turn off the feature.
So it works best for everyone. The average person can track their stolen phones now. And people hiding from the government can still turn it off.
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#196If someone steals your phone all they have to do so you won't find it is to wrap it in aluminium foil.
It's just another barrier. With enough hassle, people will move to stealing other easier things. When find my was released, phone theft went down massively. Not every criminal wants to make the jump from just grabbing a phone off the table, to having an RF blocking bag, transporting to an RF proof room, and then pulling the phone to bits to sell for pennies since the parts don't work properly when swapped in to anoth…
It's not a significant barrier anymore.
For a while now to steal a phone you needed a fence. The fence will just give you a metallised bag and you'll put the phone in it. It's not really more complicated than turning off the phone as thieves already do.
As for the software features, they've always been and will always be bypassable. People figure out how to defeat iCloud Lock, how to change ESN/IMEI/IMSI already. It's easily a 30 million dollar market, people will continue to figure it out.
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#197If someone steals your phone all they have to do so you won't find it is to wrap it in aluminium foil.
and keep it wrapped till they get to their hideout which is in a faraday cage and then proceed to wipe it and bypass the activation lock. it's another hassel for thieves which imho is a good thing. Might as well argue "why lock you door when all someone needs is a bump key!"
Except they don't. Thieves don't know how change the ESN of a phone or how to bypass an iCloud Lock. They have fences that either sell the phones for parts or bypass the security features. It's how it works for a few years already now.
The only difference is now instead of turning off the phones they'll put it in a metallized plastic bag.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ultimately it doesn't really matter anyway. Unless you are the worlds most wanted criminal and Apple is working with the government to track you down via your turned off iphone. And in that case, you should have done your research to see this anyway. If the average user blows past this message, it has no impact on their life.
From the referenced tweet thread about someone finding this out for the first time: In other news I updated my phone to iOS 15 and put it down to charge last night. When I woke up it was hot, and my battery has gone from 100% to 15% since 7:30am. I gotta get off this ecosystem. "My phone's battery life has suddenly become much worse" sure sounds like a major impact to me.
IIRC after an update your phone starts to reindex everything so for a short while battery is impacted.
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> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.
In this case, there's a bit of extra text that is clearly clickable (has the now standard arrow to the right indicating there's something more). Then there's a dialog box describing the system and two choices: OK, Temporarily Turn Off Finding. The modal dialog could be replaced with a toggle on the same screen as the power off slider in place of that text, and maybe one day it will be. But right now, since the featur…
It's less complaining about the existence of the text, and moreso there's a lack of a way to remind you about reading this later.
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I prefer to be able to locate my lost phone even if its powered off.
i'd like to be able to store a phone on the shelf with a properly conditioned battery, to be able to disable the radios during flight, or frankly anywhere else I don't want to be located. Interesting how different people have different desires.
So disable it when you turn off the device?