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Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by echelon »

minikomi wrote: post #131
Natsu wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly surprised that virtual celebs haven't taken over more. They could replace people in a lot of roles like newscasters and such.

I'm seeing VTubers more and more on japanese (late night) TV green-screened in alongside regular people. It's coming soon.

I'm so stoked for this, and I totally agree. This is the future of entertainment.

I'm working on mocap, photogrammetry, and compositing on Twitch, and I'm leveraging vocodes for subscriber interaction in the stream.

Are either of you working in this domain? Want to chat?

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Post by spoonjim »

ipaddr wrote: post #190
spoonjim wrote: post #167

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You get a copyright automatically on anything you write... why not on your likeness (insofar as it specifically refers to you)? The 1,000 Elvises are part of the problem: although Elvis chose to be an extremely public figure, I'm not sure he would want his likeness to essentially be a cartoon character for Vegas weddings and the like. I would say that a person's likeness should be off-limits to everyone, unless speci…

How do you deal with twins or similiar likeness between parent/child?

Existing law on likeness already deals with this. If you're the identical twin of a celebrity, you're allowed to use your likeness as it relates to you (i.e. use your photograph to promote your real estate business). You're not allowed to use it to suggest the celebrity in question.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by echelon »

genewitch wrote: post #187
echelon wrote: post #69

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Oh hi! I've had a new version of this in the works for a few months. It'll launch maybe this weekend? It supports user-trained data sets, which should be pretty neat. Your approach sounds kind of like unit selection or vocaloid. Do it!! :)

Your gilbert gottfried is better than mine - in that it's more obviously gilbert, however, when he's doing interviews and not "in character" the one i have sounds closer to his actual voice.[0][1] I use(d) "Real time voice cloning" available on github. I have used your site before, i think that's actually the reason i wanted to find software to do it myself originally! I ended up using mine to do the announcements on…

Good results! Where did you get the voice samples?

I love your use case for ham radio. That's brilliant!

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by hellbannedguy »

slg wrote: post #104
hellbannedguy wrote: post #12

Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. He hated fake phoney people, or food. He hated when his production crew would stovepipe his bits. He hated a scene in Greese (I believe) where crew went out and bought squid, and threw them into the water to made the shoot better. I really liked Bourdain. He was one of the few celebrities that didn't seem to change with fame, or money. I watche…

>Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. I would just like to point out the irony in this comment. You're speaking on behalf of a dead person in objection to someone else speaking on behalf of that person. We can debate the ethics of this whole thing without trying to lay claim to what Bourdain would have thought.

Watch a few episodes.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by bmeski »

slg wrote: post #104
hellbannedguy wrote: post #12

Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. He hated fake phoney people, or food. He hated when his production crew would stovepipe his bits. He hated a scene in Greese (I believe) where crew went out and bought squid, and threw them into the water to made the shoot better. I really liked Bourdain. He was one of the few celebrities that didn't seem to change with fame, or money. I watche…

>Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. I would just like to point out the irony in this comment. You're speaking on behalf of a dead person in objection to someone else speaking on behalf of that person. We can debate the ethics of this whole thing without trying to lay claim to what Bourdain would have thought.

How dense are you?

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Post by somehnacct3757 »

manquer wrote: post #188
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #11

They probably knew some people wouldn't like it, which is exactly why they used it, because look at all the free publicity they're getting now.

Nevertheless it is an important debate to have don't you think ?

In an academic setting, and with enough precedent, yes.

To discuss it now would only benefit the commercial interests who purposely baked this outrage manna in their advertising oven.

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Post by pivic »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #12

Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. He hated fake phoney people, or food. He hated when his production crew would stovepipe his bits. He hated a scene in Greese (I believe) where crew went out and bought squid, and threw them into the water to made the shoot better. I really liked Bourdain. He was one of the few celebrities that didn't seem to change with fame, or money. I watche…

This is not axiomatic truth. I reviewed Laurie Woolever's first posthumous book about/with Bourdain, check out how the 'bone luge' was invented for one of his shows: https://niklasblog.com/?p=24870 Also, as is clearly attested by many of Bourdain's friends in Woolever's coming oral-history book on Bourdain, he lied about things, as most people do. He claimed to be human and not perfect.

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Post by Natsu »

echelon wrote: post #191
minikomi wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm seeing VTubers more and more on japanese (late night) TV green-screened in alongside regular people. It's coming soon.

I'm so stoked for this, and I totally agree. This is the future of entertainment. I'm working on mocap, photogrammetry, and compositing on Twitch, and I'm leveraging vocodes for subscriber interaction in the stream. Are either of you working in this domain? Want to chat?

I'd love to hear more about how this is done, but I've never done a thing with any of this other than trying to predict the future and seeing this as something that will take over eventually. I'm Natsu#7152 on Discord.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by TeMPOraL »

NeoVeles wrote: post #141
colechristensen wrote: post #128

We're running up towards "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." and it is appropriate. It isn't wrong to replace a human with a machine, I'm not going after calculators, spreadsheets, or farm machinery. What is to come though is a moral imperative that making machines mimic people is deeply wrong. Our worldviews, values, and judgements are based on interacting with other humans and to have t…

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." - Frank Herbert (Dune)

This here. Machines can only become the enemy when they gain sentience, form a civilization, and declare independence.

Until then, it's not the machines that are the problem. It's the people behind the machines, people making business decisions about operations and deployment of the machines.

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Post by genewitch »

echelon wrote: post #193
genewitch wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your gilbert gottfried is better than mine - in that it's more obviously gilbert, however, when he's doing interviews and not "in character" the one i have sounds closer to his actual voice.[0][1] I use(d) "Real time voice cloning" available on github. I have used your site before, i think that's actually the reason i wanted to find software to do it myself originally! I ended up using mine to do the announcements on…

Good results! Where did you get the voice samples? I love your use case for ham radio. That's brilliant!

I just cut up youtube videos' audio to only have the voice i wanted to use.

And thanks. I'm glad there's other people messing around with voice cloning, still.

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