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Post by minikomi »

Natsu wrote: post #126
echelon wrote: post #69

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Oh hi! I've had a new version of this in the works for a few months. It'll launch maybe this weekend? It supports user-trained data sets, which should be pretty neat. Your approach sounds kind of like unit selection or vocaloid. Do it!! :)

I'm honestly surprised that virtual celebs haven't taken over more. They could replace people in a lot of roles like newscasters and such.

I'm seeing VTubers more and more on japanese (late night) TV green-screened in alongside regular people.

It's coming soon.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by autoexec »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #100
autoexec wrote: post #32

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We don't get immunity to photoshop in the "I can tell from some of the pixels" sense, but we gain immunity in the sense that we no longer accept every image as representing absolute truth. Plenty of people today still think that video manipulation more sophisticated than an instagram filter takes a Hollywood budget or a lot of expertise. Once people get more experience seeing and creating deepfakes on their own they'…

I think your hypothesis is defeated by how people take screenshots of text (captions, headlines) at face value on Reddit, Twitter, and other social media. You can scroll through all the comments and you won’t find a single person asking for a source, just people reacting to some text. If people don’t have an immunity to a screenshot of text that claims something, how are they going to have an immunity to Photoshop an…

You don't even need a screenshot for that. Any text online, even just a comment will be taken at face value by a certain percentage of the population. The general gullibility of people or their susceptibility to disinformation is always going to be an issue. Even for people like that who just don't question things they see (especially when they want to believe them) I'd bet if you pressed them they'd admit to being aware of photoshop and of just how easy it is to fake a screenshot of text.

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Post by lostlogin »

daniellarusso wrote: post #122
mc32 wrote: post #120

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Just about every Presidents’ Day I’ll hear car deals with voice actors pretending to be Clinton or Bush and also on TV people dressed up as Lincoln… so I dunno.

If car salespeople do it, it should be fine. Is that the bar?

It would seem that the closer one gets to recreating the look or sound of someone else, the less acceptable it is.

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Post by Ensorceled »

enriquto wrote: post #76

what is the difference to drawing him on a fictional painting? or edit a photo? People who complain about that sound a bit like those mythical tribes that are afraid of photographs because they may rob their soul. EDIT: i'm not sure that this is wrong, only confused

A painting is quite clearly a work of fiction.

We already DO have this same controversy about edited photo and video so there is no difference: most of the people who think this is wrong would also agree that creating a fake photo/video would be wrong.

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Post by spoonjim »

briefcomment wrote: post #80
andy_ppp wrote: post #78

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As I understand it (I read this on Twitter so massive grain of salt etc.) the family concented to this explicitly. Would you feel better if it was a voice actor who could read Bourdain’s email in a perfect mimic? What about historical recreations, would you object to computers being involved in, say, recreating Abraham Lincoln’s voice? Does the age of the subject matter? I think the squeamishness about AI as it becom…

His widow did not provide consent [1]. [1] https://twitter.com/OttaviaBourdain/status/14158894550057164...

I don’t think you count as someone’s widow if you split up before they die.

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Post by spoonjim »

andy_ppp wrote: post #78
hellbannedguy wrote: post #12

Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. He hated fake phoney people, or food. He hated when his production crew would stovepipe his bits. He hated a scene in Greese (I believe) where crew went out and bought squid, and threw them into the water to made the shoot better. I really liked Bourdain. He was one of the few celebrities that didn't seem to change with fame, or money. I watche…

As I understand it (I read this on Twitter so massive grain of salt etc.) the family concented to this explicitly. Would you feel better if it was a voice actor who could read Bourdain’s email in a perfect mimic? What about historical recreations, would you object to computers being involved in, say, recreating Abraham Lincoln’s voice? Does the age of the subject matter? I think the squeamishness about AI as it becom…

I don’t think my family should have the ability to make decisions regarding my likeness. My likeness is one of those things which is just totally 100% mine. I married my wife and had kids with her and would want her to have all of my money if I died but wouldn’t want her to be able to license my voice and face to promote Wheaties cereal or something. It shouldn’t be allowed unless the person explicitly grants those rights while alive.

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Post by mthoms »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #12

Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. He hated fake phoney people, or food. He hated when his production crew would stovepipe his bits. He hated a scene in Greese (I believe) where crew went out and bought squid, and threw them into the water to made the shoot better. I really liked Bourdain. He was one of the few celebrities that didn't seem to change with fame, or money. I watche…

I agree.

Refusing to disclose which dialogue the AI generated serves no one but the documentary maker himself. He’s not protecting a source or doing anything commendable. It doesn’t make the documentary better on any way.

It’s a media stunt.

It’s despicable.

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Post by cun7_bourdain »

Good. Of all the people who deserve to be disrespected in death, Anthony Bourdain is at the top of the list. I hope the filmmakers use the profits to dig up his corpse and literally shit on his dead body.

Fucking cunt of a human being, glad he offed himself too. He deserved to die for the fucking shithead bully he was. Anyone with half a brain could see he was a shithead little bully, yet so many dumb cunts are acting like he was such a major inspiration, venerating someone who was clearly a mean son of a bitch. Fuck him, and if you liked him, fuck you. Go think about why you liked some asshole who constantly tried to bully other people.

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Post by cun7_bourdain »

ceocoder wrote: post #37
holler wrote: post #25

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Funny enough, him describing the ploy while sort of mocking it as it happened led to an enjoyable moment in that episode (imo). It showcased his humility, and ability to make the most out of a situation while not taking himself too seriously.

Thing is, more I rewatch his shows, all of his comments about depression and anger have taken a really somber tone now given what we know. I wish someone was there with him to help him through through that time. His death really affected me in a deep way I didn’t expect. I miss him so much.

You sound like a real shithead. Fuck you.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by sen »

briefcomment wrote: post #80
andy_ppp wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it (I read this on Twitter so massive grain of salt etc.) the family concented to this explicitly. Would you feel better if it was a voice actor who could read Bourdain’s email in a perfect mimic? What about historical recreations, would you object to computers being involved in, say, recreating Abraham Lincoln’s voice? Does the age of the subject matter? I think the squeamishness about AI as it becom…

His widow did not provide consent [1]. [1] https://twitter.com/OttaviaBourdain/status/14158894550057164...

She's not his widow, she's his estranged ex-wife.

I should hope people's ex-wives don't get authority over their lives later (unless it's related to kids/shared-assets/etc).

The family giving consent is way more relevant.

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