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Re: Brave Search beta

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Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

Just curious, why are you opposed to search ads? They are already targeted by your search query, so don't fundamentally rely on tracking data.

Since they're nearly indistinguishable from real organic search results, people click on them assuming the search engine found them the best result. This leads to two major problems:

1. Search ads are the primary source of malware and fraud on the Internet today. (Phishing emails are second.) Sites pretend to be other sites all the time, and to allow tracking and landing page behaviors, every major search ad provider allows ads to "lie" about the destination domain. So you may see an Amazon ad, it says it goes to Amazon.com, but actually directs through to realamazonlinkipromise.biz instead. Fraud's really profitable, so fraudsters win ad slots easily, and are adtech companies' best customers, so there's really little incentive to crack down on this.

2. Search ads use this placement as a form of extortion. If you run, say, Best Buy, you shouldn't have to buy search ads for "best buy", because obviously you're the best result. However, they have to, because if they don't, the search engine will sell ads to their competitors using their keyword, so people searching "best buy" get "Circuit City" as the top result instead. (Yes, I chose that reference in part because I don't want to shame any real current companies in this example for sleezy practices.) And since users click the top result (the ad), not the first organic result, Best Buy ends up paying for every click for every user who goes through Google/Bing/etc. to get to Best Buy.

The second reason is why browsers are so obsessed with combining the search and address bars: They want you to search "best buy" or "bestbuy" or etc. because that's ad revenue, whereas actually typing bestbuy.com nets Google nothing.

Re: Brave Search beta

#192

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You can use !g on Brave Search too, or turn on Fallback Mixing in Brave Search Settings, which will anonymously call out to Google and pull in results as needed. This helps to train the nascent engine more rapidly. I hope this helps!

I am not able to locate this setting. I am using Brave Search on Firefox. Is that available only on Brave Search on Brave browser?

Yes, the Fallback Mixing requires the Brave browser, since it pipes the request through the participating user's machine (only if the user has first opted-in to the feature).

Re: Brave Search beta

#193
post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

DuckDuckGo allows you to do a Google search by prepending "!g" to any query. So usually I do that for the last 5% of queries that DDG fails on.

It redirects to Google. So the effect (including tracking) is identical to just doing a Google search.

Re: Brave Search beta

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At least they are trying to build an actual index instead of rebranding Bing like duck duck.

Bing is one of many sources from which duckduckgo derives its results; kind of like what's going on here with Brave's new search.

Do side by side comparisons. I haven't seen any of my searches (admittedly only the few I checked for this) differ from Bing's results in results or result positioning

It's unfortunate really as the owner guy keeps saying they use multiple sources but in all of my tests.. they're all Bing. I don't care about using Bing, I do care about being deceived (slippery slope, thin end of the wedge, etc etc)

Re: Brave Search beta

#195

compare search results for "lab leak" https://search.brave.com/search?q=lab+leak https://www.google.com/search?q=lab+leak https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lab+leak https://www.bing.com/search?q=lab+leak

How do they fare on the 'tank man' test?

Re: Brave Search beta

#196

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At least for me I saw that the search results for google were similar to brave while those for duckduckgo were similar to those from bing.

The detractor below apparently fails to understand that searching for controversial topics is a great way to see which search engines are similar, or relying on the results from other engines.

This is a great idea. I also tested this out with "Alex Jones", some engines show articles criticizing him above his own website.

Re: Brave Search beta

#197
Looks cool! I sort of hate the UI though. Everything is so spaced out, on my screen i literally don't see the results. I see two top results, and 3 videos _(it's not a video search..)_, and that's it. Those top results i'm not sure if they're paid or not - so it makes me feel unsure if i'm seeing any real results or not.

The page seems to waste space. I'd need a compact mode to use this search. The UI is difficult for me.

Re: Brave Search beta

#198
post #75

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What am I supposed to see? All engines give the same or very similar results for me

At least for me I saw that the search results for google were similar to brave while those for duckduckgo were similar to those from bing.

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Re: Brave Search beta

#199

Reminder that Brave has done some morally questionable things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... They've since corrected both of those things, but those are enough for me to choose not to trust them as an organization.

It's a browser with built-in cryptocurrency nonsense. That should tell you everything you need to know.

I have a few websites and receive payments from Brave Rewards almost every month. They pay me in BAT, but since I don't care about BAT or can use it directly, it gets converted to my local currency, which I then can use to pay for stuff.

It's a mistake to assume something is nonsense or bad just because crypto is involved. Provided that you can convert it to something usable, it doesn't really matter if you're paid in dollars, BAT or something else.

Re: Brave Search beta

#200
post #161

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Not true. In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc. So imo, "many sources, bing is just one" is misleading, as the main SERPs are pretty much straight up bing. (Note: I've used ddg as my main search engine for years)

>Not true. https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... >In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. This is anecdote. Countering my argument -- calling it misleading -- with anecdote doesn't work.

They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there.

When they say over 400 sources it even links to [0] a page about instant answers.

What do you expect? That I hack into ddg and give you their source? Try some searches for yourself and see that the results [1] are basically identical to bing [2] and other engines using bing[3], when compared to different indicies[4][5][6].

[0] https://duck.co/ia

[1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey

[2] https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey

[3] https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey

[4] https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey

[5] https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey

[6] https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey

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