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Re: Brave Search beta

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Reminder that Brave has done some morally questionable things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... They've since corrected both of those things, but those are enough for me to choose not to trust them as an organization.

It's a browser with built-in cryptocurrency nonsense. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Re: Brave Search beta

#32

This seems to be quick and gives decent results for what I tried! Very promising! Going to try setting it as the default...

I believe that in the address bar you should get an icon to set the current site as a search provider when you're on it. On Firefox it's in the more menu at the right end of the bar.

It looks to me that that is currently broken due to https://search.brave.com/auth/assets/opensearch.xml redirecting to https://search.brave.com/. I haven't managed it on Firefox yet

Re: Brave Search beta

#33
Lex Fridman interviewed Brendan Eich earlier this year (a real gem of an interview, in my opinion).

I found all of it interesting, but here's a timecode link where they begin to discuss the current era of "browser wars", technical aspects and history of privacy protections, ads, search, and how that's all related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krB0enBeSiE&t=7652s

Re: Brave Search beta

#34
Contrary to Brave Search's instructions to click the three dots (...) in Firefox's URL bar to add Brave Search, I don't get the dots at all.

I do get Brave Search as a button when I click the URL bar and it drops down, but if I click on the Brave Search icon to add it, Firefox says:

Invalid format Firefox could not install the search engine from: https://search.brave.com/auth/assets/opensearch.xml

Re: Brave Search beta

#35

Apparently, they have their own search index, which they say covers ~95% of queries, and if the results aren't in the index, it will then get it from Google or Bing. I'd love some more details on how this works. They probably aren't scraping the whole web. Are they just mirroring Bing and Google indexes? They seem to have their own page ranking algorithm that they're hoping to get trained.

I still wouldn't use it since it falls back to Bing or Google.

You're referring to Fallback Mixing, which is off by default. You have to enable it in https://search.brave.com/settings. When enabled, this feature will (at times) pull in results from Google via an anonymous query, routed through the browser. Read more about it here: https://search.brave.com/help/google-fallback

Re: Brave Search beta

#36

Reminder that Brave has done some morally questionable things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... They've since corrected both of those things, but those are enough for me to choose not to trust them as an organization.

Seriously. For a privacy focused org to have these moral failings makes me skeptical they won't abuse users' trust in the future. I still don't think it's right to accept donations on behalf of someone you have no prior agreement with.

Re: Brave Search beta

#37

Apparently, they have their own search index, which they say covers ~95% of queries, and if the results aren't in the index, it will then get it from Google or Bing. I'd love some more details on how this works. They probably aren't scraping the whole web. Are they just mirroring Bing and Google indexes? They seem to have their own page ranking algorithm that they're hoping to get trained.

In December '19 the company that would end up being acquired by Brave did a number of blog posts [0] where they explained the tech. The short answer is 'a lot of word2vec'.

[0] https://www.0x65.dev/

Re: Brave Search beta

#38

Apparently, they have their own search index, which they say covers ~95% of queries, and if the results aren't in the index, it will then get it from Google or Bing. I'd love some more details on how this works. They probably aren't scraping the whole web. Are they just mirroring Bing and Google indexes? They seem to have their own page ranking algorithm that they're hoping to get trained.

I still wouldn't use it since it falls back to Bing or Google.

If that is the case, what search engine do you currently use?

Re: Brave Search beta

#39

Reminder that Brave has done some morally questionable things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... They've since corrected both of those things, but those are enough for me to choose not to trust them as an organization.

Didn't even realize the extent of the referral codes. Imagine if Chrome auto-inserted their own amazon affiliate links when people typed in Amazon.com - people would be up in arms.

Re: Brave Search beta

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"Even supposedly “neutral” or “private” search engines rely on big tech for results. Brave is different. We deliver results based on our own built-from-scratch index. We’re beholden to no one."

Why is this? I get that it's not easy to build a good search engine, but on the surface it doesn't seem to be that hard a technical problem to solve either. Is it simply that the R&D required to build something competitive is too high for most companies?

I guess you can get 90% of the way, but the remaining 10% becomes really hard unless you're Google scale. But even several 90% alternatives would be better than absolute monopoly.
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