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If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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Re: If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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> Your IP still gives away your location, apps can remember if they were installed on your phone, you can’t turn off network or sensors for individual apps, etc. I agree with your last point, but the first two is asking for the impossible. You'd need multiple technological breakthroughs for that to happen.

> You'd need multiple technological breakthroughs for that to happen. For (1), at the very least, Apple could provide a VPN by default. For (2), why is this the case? Apple mostly just needs to delete content from the Keychain for deleted apps and throw a wrench into some APIs used for fingerprinting.

> For (1), at the very least, Apple could provide a VPN by default

Exactly how well a VPN improves privacy is highly controversial to say the least. Quite a few would go as far to say not at all, although I believe it's a bit more nuanced.

But most importantly, Apple directing traffic to their VPN by default would be an unwise move on all levels. It would put them in a position to be able to scoop up data on users, regardless of intent. Not only would that be devastating for their reputation, it would actually harm user privacy. If a single company can directly capture almost every single packet flowing in and out of user devices, governments are bound to demand access to it without an option to refuse. Even in the most democratic countries, government agencies aren't known for their restraint when it comes to accessing user data.

> For (2), why is this the case? Apple mostly just needs to delete content from the Keychain for deleted apps and throw a wrench into some APIs used for fingerprinting

Wouldn't that break iCloud syncing? Besides, preventing turing complete programs from uniquely identifying users on real world devices is an unsolved problem for all I know. It's not as simple as disabling some APIs here and there.

Re: If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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> Having additional marketplaces available for me doesn't affect you. The comment you said this in reply to talked about how it affects _everyone_ both using the platform and developing for the platform.

You mean the bit about pirated software? Nope. Just a classic feeder line Apple gives to developers as a scare tactic. 30% is likely a heck of a lot more than what a canned c&d letter costs to get a pirated app removed from a trusted/authenticated app store variant. Truth is Apple doesn't want competition for their large cut of "advertising/distribution" revenue. If I develop an app for my existing customers and I wa…

Allow me to explain what is implied: More options for ways to get apps won't make app developers more money. This is shown by the difference between profits developers get by developing apps for iOS vs Android. Android has a larger user base, but it's still more profitable to develop for iOS. That's how it affects devs.

Less money to be made means devs are less incentivized to put as much quality into their apps. Some still will, of course, but others won't, and some will simply stop developing for the platform, so average app quality goes down. And less restrictions mean more crappy apps out there. This is how it affects users.

I'm not saying either system is better. I fully sympathize with the hurt of the 30% cut that Apple takes. And I sympathize also with wanting a more open platform. All that I'm pointing out is that by opening up Apple's platform in the way you're proposing, it will indeed affect everyone in some negative ways. There will be positive ways, too, of course. Such is the nature of change.

Re: If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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As far as I read the support doc, it seems like if say I purchase an ebook from a third party App, should Apple have this data because they mandated the forced use of their payment system. (I don't like user profiles based on purchase data from their store itself as well) In this example, Apple is not just the store but also your payment processor(a forced one at that). So, they know about which cuts of meat you like…

But apple does not allow for that. So in that sense, they do not allow businesses for targeted advertisement. Please correct me if I am wrong. Their processes and org structure is not built for that either with siloed teams. So much that quite often some teams will not know what kind of data is being collected by other teams even.

Apple doesn't allow the third party store to do that but they can do whatever they want, it's their system (and arguably their phone as well.)

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Wouldn’t using Twilio effect the security of 2FA?

Yes, but I don't do phone-based 2FA; I only use U2F or TOTP. When I have a massive, immobile desktop in front of me it makes no sense that the desktop isn't the 2FA device, and that I'm asked to go search for an easy-to-steal tiny 5" device. Also, I don't believe in phone numbers being 1:1 correlated with a device; for convenience I should be able to take a call from any device that I happen to have with me. So phone…

Why use 2FA at all then? It doesn’t seem like you’re gaining any security using it.

Re: If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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This is not true. As I have submitted on HN earlier, Apple is using the purchases data to customise ads. https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT208477 You can make a case that the ad targeting is just on App Store, News and Stocks but that is just for now, Apple used to have an ad platform iAd which wasn't that successful, so it was discontinued. Once they milk other revenue streams and are more of a monopolistic power in…

We should be able to opt out of similar tracking with stock Apple apps if Apple is not disclosing they are tracking for advertising purposes that is a huge issue that needs to be exposed.

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Yes, but I don't do phone-based 2FA; I only use U2F or TOTP. When I have a massive, immobile desktop in front of me it makes no sense that the desktop isn't the 2FA device, and that I'm asked to go search for an easy-to-steal tiny 5" device. Also, I don't believe in phone numbers being 1:1 correlated with a device; for convenience I should be able to take a call from any device that I happen to have with me. So phone…

Why use 2FA at all then? It doesn’t seem like you’re gaining any security using it.

They insist on it, not me.

I'm all for 2FA if it uses U2F but if it's going to be phone-number based I'd rather pass. That isn't an option though, so I automate the phone response.

Re: If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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There's still a huge elephant in the room. How are we supposed to trust Apple, Microsoft or any other tech company when it emerged that they fully cooperated with the NSA and their PRISM program. We have to just assume that's still running. Businesses could keep a lot of secrets from us and they're not transparent or accountable to the public.

It’s basically impossible for an American company to defy the American government. They can try in court but ultimately the government has F-22s and nuclear weapons and Apple does not.

What about Apple's fight with the FBI over iPhone encryption? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d...

It's definitely not common, but it happens.

Re: If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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I see a bunch of comments talking about how Apple is being self serving and not at all altruistic when they defend our privacy. And my response is - well duh. And this is supposed to be a problem how? Apple wants my money and nothing else. They aren't motivated to protect my privacy out of the goodness of their hearts. I am happy to pay money for more privacy. The fact that they only do this because they want my mone…

I don't think privacy is a thing that most people happily pay, same as security. Only Apple can sell privacy feature bundled with luxury devices.

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Apple also has a question mark attached to its commitment to privacy in China. Even though the Twitter thread below is by a NYT reporter, it sounds directionally credible given how embedded Apple is in China, both from a manufacturing point of view and also as a growing market. 2021-MAY-18 "NEW: Apple is jeopardizing its Chinese users’ data and augmenting the Chinese government’s censorship to placate authorities and…

It is unfortunate, but I think that's partially what the article also implies - it can't be up to a single company to fight the good fight. Also, Apple needs to comply with local legislation to be able to provide services in other countries. China also happens to be the country source for most of Apple's supply chain - it's not exactly viable to start fighting the local authorities. Imagine if other big companies wit…

Google doesn't provide services in China, because to do so they'd have to censor for the CCP, like Apple does.

Re: If Apple is the only organisation defending our privacy, it is time to worry

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Better than Zynga, right? Corporation which has leaked kids data. Clones games, manipulates kids and adults in spending thousands of $$$ on virtual things, screwed employees from stock compensation. It's easy to criticize, right? Signal and Apple are at-least doing better than Zynga.

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