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Re: Monkey MindPong

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Post by GrumpyNl »

alcover wrote: post #159
elil17 wrote: post #150

For those who don’t know much about this field, this seems incredible. The reality is that this a tech demo that Neuralink is using to practice the basics. For other research groups in this field, this is tech from 20 years ago. The current state of the art is humans, mostly quadriplegic people, with chips which let them control robot arms with enough accuracy to pick up small delicate objects, play games, and type b…

If the arm was in another room, he could feel around with it This uncanny sentence is giving me dystopian vertigo. I picture a mob of derelicts home-invading a 130 years-old tech boomer, fighting his remote-controlled spare limbs from room to room..

Thats a nice idea for a movie.

Re: Monkey MindPong

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Post by [deleted] »

DocTomoe wrote: post #141
tyingq wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's not that hard to imagine the next bit where there's a captive warehouse of monkeys solving CAPTCHAS for food or something. It's a depressing video to be sure.

Right now, this is being done with people from India, so ... I'm not sure if your dystopia vision is a step up or down on the civilisation ladder.

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Re: Monkey MindPong

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Post by layoutIfNeeded »

bufferout wrote: post #164
bitcharmer wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how progress is made. Similarly, people in DaVinci's times were sickened by his autopsies but that doesn't mean there was something wrong about them.

To counter with an extreme example: plenty of medical progress was made via Nazi and Japanese experiments on live subjects during the second world war. So no, categorically the ends does not always justify the means.

>plenty of medical progress was made via Nazi and Japanese experiments on live subjects during the second world war

[citation needed]

Re: Monkey MindPong

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Post by tyingq »

DocTomoe wrote: post #141
tyingq wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's not that hard to imagine the next bit where there's a captive warehouse of monkeys solving CAPTCHAS for food or something. It's a depressing video to be sure.

Right now, this is being done with people from India, so ... I'm not sure if your dystopia vision is a step up or down on the civilisation ladder.

By "captive", I meant they didn't choose to do so, and didn't get to go home after their shift, and weren't compensated outside of food.

Re: Monkey MindPong

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Post by harperlee »

londons_explore wrote: post #169
ggambetta wrote: post #163

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Would it be possible to control an extra arm somehow? Or brain plasticity doesn't go that far?

The real innovation is when you can find a method to control the physical hand and the virtual hand independently. I suspect it would be possible if you can do some kind of real-time feedback/tuning of the ML model. Reinforcement learning stuff. By slowly adjusting the model to reward hitting the ball back in pong, but also to penalize moving the real physical hand, you might achieve it.

Can't the brain alone use visual feedback to close the loop, separating both hands? If thinking in a particular way activates the only the robot hand (trembling), I'd guess that with sufficient plasticity you should be able to start enhancing control of it.

Obviously tactile and proprioceptive feedback through the chip would enable better / quicker control, given the sufficient plasticity hypothesis.

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Post by the_dripper »

bspammer wrote: post #189
the_dripper wrote: post #137

I know I'm conforming to a stereotype by saying this, but I cant stop thinking about how this could be the premise of a Black Mirror Episode. I also think we should restrict such technology. Without restrictions we can play God, and I am in no way approving of doing anyhting similar to that. The part about pairing the monkeys NeuraLink Device "like you do with a speaker" made me laugh. Not becuase it's funny, but bec…

I don't understand your core point: why is it inherently wrong to attempt to augment the brain? It seems like a purely instinctual response. Is it God's will for paralyzed people to remain unable to interact with the world, and live the rest of their lives in misery? If we have a way to do a lot of good for a lot of people, isn't it inherently immoral to not develop the technology further?

youre right, but I fear a future where such techonolgy can be abused. I haven't carfully considered all the positives such technology will bring into our world. I was starteled by the potential of abuse and how far technology has come.

Re: Monkey MindPong

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Post by haxiomic »

lentil_soup wrote: post #175
mvzvm wrote: post #156

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Zoos are bastions of conservation. They are usually only filled by rescue animals, and their funds are often used in conservation and animal welfare programs.

is that really always the case? do you have some data about it I can look into? I stopped going to zoos because I didn't want to contribute to keeping animals like that, but would like to read information to the contrary if that's the case.

I imagine it depends on the zoo

I’ve never been to zoos outside the UK, but here often the primary function is conservation - both of the animals, which are often rescues, and of wider wildlife which is funded by ticket sales

For example, London Zoo is managed by the charity Zoological Society of London [0] and places like Monkey World are essentially rescue centres you can visit [1]

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoological_Society_of_London

[1] https://monkeyworld.org/

Re: Monkey MindPong

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Post by benevol »

jm4 wrote: post #35

That was difficult to watch. While the technology is impressive, it is sickening to watch. The part where they can pair the phone via bluetooth made me want to vomit. It is obviously unnatural, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Something about seeing that animal, oblivious to what's happening, and that implant with the ability to directly record thoughts and/or remote control. The whole thing doesn't sit well wi…

The question is:

Who wouldn't want to ultimately be assimilated by the Borg?

Re: Monkey MindPong

#200

Post by brians »

alcover wrote: post #159
elil17 wrote: post #150

For those who don’t know much about this field, this seems incredible. The reality is that this a tech demo that Neuralink is using to practice the basics. For other research groups in this field, this is tech from 20 years ago. The current state of the art is humans, mostly quadriplegic people, with chips which let them control robot arms with enough accuracy to pick up small delicate objects, play games, and type b…

If the arm was in another room, he could feel around with it This uncanny sentence is giving me dystopian vertigo. I picture a mob of derelicts home-invading a 130 years-old tech boomer, fighting his remote-controlled spare limbs from room to room..

Heinlein’s Waldo might be a good thing to read, then. It’s the origin of the word “Waldo” in English.
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