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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Just remember that the facebook phone was an absolute disaster and they are trying to scrub it from peoples memory.

FB is a product designers nightmare. Its a horrible product trying to force its way into every aspect of your life to slurp cash from the massive stupidity of humans.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

#192
Good for iOS users. Rest of the developing world use cheap phones loaded with obsolete Androids. Facebook & Google can now leech on them.

Re: Indian full newspaper AD about Whatsapp privacy.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90593913/whatsapp-facebook-priva...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

I'm not sure "Cigarettes will kill you" was ever meant to stop smokers from smoking. It was part of a generations long campaign to change the entire perception and culture behind smoking. And it seems to be working very well. I think there are parallels here. I see a focus on getting _current_ users to stop tolerating naked privacy. I think that ship has sailed. But in time the entire culture can shift where future g…

Totally, but look at how smart (and evil) the tobacco companies were. They pivoted between strategies in smart ways.

Once reality started setting in and denial didn't cut it, they acted to protect the shareholders. Phillip Morris bought things like Kraft that they could spin-out later. They settled claims and paid states billions of dollars for healthcare costs a few years before healthcare started going up 30% a year... which capped their liability AND made it politically impossible to put them out of business.

Google seems to at least attempt to do something similar by entering and investing billions into businesses like Cloud, cars, etc. I don't see that with Facebook... Facebook digs in and spouts some nonsense about connecting people, like the capitalist version of Soviet PR people.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple taking on this issue is worthy of respect, but let's not pretend that Apple respects all user consent. They're constantly forcing things on their users with thinly veiled justifications like "security".

could you provide some examples beyond the “walled garden” of the iOS platform?

Every time you turn iPhone on it prompts to sign in to who knows what min 4x in a row.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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post #99

I wish journalists wouldn't refer to Apple's app store cut as "tax" ; it's a service fee. That is the price Apple charges for providing payment-related services on its platform. It is not a tax.

Apple also insists that you must use their payment services, you can't use a competitor's. the policies are designed so that they get a cut of all revenue in the ecosystem, that's effectively a tax.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Does anyone support Facebook with this? Does their point below make any sense? I'm supporting Apple now but any merit to the opposing side? Curious to get some informed viewpoints. "This discouragement, this is going to have a real impact on the Internet as we know it, which is increasingly going to move to a paid experience, which again, benefits Apple's bottom line..."

I am certainly on the Apple side of this spat but Stratechery wrote a rather compelling pro-Facebook article about this: https://stratechery.com/2020/privacy-labels-and-lookalike-au...

The gist of the argument being that, regardless of what you think about Facebook, hyper-targeted "lookalike audience" models to target ads against actually do level the playing field for small businesses who do not the resources to produce large scale ad campaigns. Highly recommended reading.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

#198
FB advertiser here.

I had to change some of my Business Manager settings this week in preparation for the iOS changes before my new ads would run. They specifically mentioned "Aggregated Event Measurement" for anybody who wants to look into it.

https://www.facebook.com/business/help/721422165168355

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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post #188

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It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

(I think you meant antagonist?)

Thank you!

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

#200
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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

Given the fact that the 5 C-suite execs have escape hatches from their bullet proof offices to SUVs below, and the remainder of the 3,000 engineers are in an open space just tells you what those people value.
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