Quoting the US constitution in a thread about the UK doesn't make much sense. Is there a similar legal doctrine in the UK?
Our natural rights are God-given and true since all men are equal children of creation, and thus no man has the right to stand above any other and deny them their right to speech or to gather. I am the property of myself and have the sole right of ownership - not anyone employed by the state. This was worded well by the writers of the American constitution, but the idea is as old as time - it’s the idea of universali…
Well, maybe God wants the government to lock you up. How do you know?
Have you considered that these measures are _temporary_? If people shared the same ideas about sacrifice, the United States would've never prevailed in WWII. Personally, it seems like objections to basic preventive measures, such as wearing a mask, are more rooted in ego and entitlement. And that is often coupled with spurious ideas about government overreach (which, while sometimes valid, isn't exactly a cogent argu…
> temporary It has been 10 MONTHS!. 10 FUCKING MONTHS. This isn't temporary anymore. There is literally no end in sight. Canada, the UK, and parts of the UK have INCREASED restrictions. Everyone is saying, "Well they didn't lockdown hard enough the first time" This is morally reprehensible.
I mean, vote for government which invests in science and not in aircraft carriers. This way we’ll eradicate all disease much faster.
Have you considered that these measures are _temporary_? If people shared the same ideas about sacrifice, the United States would've never prevailed in WWII. Personally, it seems like objections to basic preventive measures, such as wearing a mask, are more rooted in ego and entitlement. And that is often coupled with spurious ideas about government overreach (which, while sometimes valid, isn't exactly a cogent argu…
> Have you considered that these measures are _temporary_? I will never consider this given the excesses and absolute indefensible failures of the emergency powers introduced in service of the Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/etc. wars. Nothing has been rolled back. Emergency powers should never be treated as temporary given history. > Personally, it seems like objections to basic preventive measures, such as wearing a mask, a…
You’re acting as if every single blue collar worker lives alone. Don’t they have families they see every day? Also, living in a city and seeing hundreds of people every day is recent. I doubt there’s any natural drive for having such big social circles as we do now.
I truly am not trying to be insensitive, but didn't these restrictions only just barely begin back in March? It's difficult for me to see the causation.
I went back and found the e-mail. She said in it, "I was doing OK there until one of my Italian colleagues committed suicide as he couldn't take the lockdown. He was in his 20s..." So sorry, not flatmate, workmate. If the lock-downs weren't the main cause, I'm sure they certainly didn't help. Keep in mind Thomas Schäfer, a German minister of fiance, committed suicide by train in March as well. Another person I know t…
What’s so terrible now? Just trying to understand. Reminds me the hysteria after Trump was elected. Sure, some people have legit mental issues. But the majority is just consumed by the meme.
> People horrified to enter a hospital despite needing medical care. I have not heard of anyone who is ‘scared’ to go to the hospital. I have heard of many hospitals in coastal states being forced to turn away elective procedures due to lack of bed space (from covid cases). Have you ever stopped to consider that, lockdown or not, people simply aren’t choosing to do the things they used to? There are no restrictions a…
It's hard to square your comment that there are "no restrictions against travel" with reality. These are just three examples I happen to know of off the top of my head. The remainder of the assertions in your post suffer from the same fundamental flaw. Hawaii: The islands of Oahu, Maui, Molokai, Lanai, and Hawaii continue with the state’s pre-travel testing program. Travelers must have their negative test results pri…
That’s three states out of 50 and Hawaii is the only one with any sort of enforcement. I travelled to NM (also subject to a 14 day quarantine). Zero enforcement, totally voluntary and business travel exempted.
>You're shaming people for feeling natural human instincts There are many 'natural' human instincts that are harmful to society and are either strongly discouraged or outlawed (violence, drug abuse, overeating to name a few).
"Harmful to society" is a poor standard used to justify a lot of evil stuff. That standard once included homosexuality. It was the basis for eugenics. Also like I mentioned before - Prohibition. It's a standard that's ultimately subjective and self-deceiving. You're arguing that we should outlaw something that's vital to human life. Social interaction. Violence, on the other hand, is clearly not necessary or virtuous…
You can’t protect “natural” when being in unnatural environments. Sure, if we go back to the population density of 1 person per 10-100 square kilometers... That would mean reducing world population by several orders of magnitude. But if we, as civilization, grow to billions and choose to live in mega cities - the way of life has to be adjusted. And again, we’ve evolved to live in a society, but nowhere near the present day population density. Here in Belgium you are allowed to see some people despite lockdown. You can also meet people outside, go for a jog with your mates. That’s as much social contact as people “require naturally”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55430397 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-... Etc.
Same story happen in 2016,2017,2018,2019. This just show that the system need to be better managed, not lockdown. Lockdown is just cop out and not only it doesn't help it creates tons of additional problem.
It's easy to say something is bad. It's more difficult to say what, specifically, would be better.
What exactly would "better managed" look like, in your opinion, and what evidence do you have that your version of events would result in better outcomes than the lockdown measures that have been used?