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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by tsimionescu »

zdragnar wrote: post #24
goku99 wrote: post #12

I don't understand what's the point of UN when these things are happening in a permanent UNSC member country. This C has been causing nuisance to their neighbors all the time. They Debt-Trap poor nations and exploit them. From Mongols to India, every neighbor has a problem, they are probably most worst neighbor you could get. Recently it was in news with yet another conflict with India[1]. This needs to stop. Entire…

Didn't China just get on to the human rights committee too? Edit: yes, the human rights council, joined by Russia and Cuba. What a time to be alive.

Cuba has a much better human rights record than Russia, China and the USA, at least as far as their impact on other countries goes. The presence of Saudi Arabia in the Human Rights council is a much worse travesty anyway, by any measure.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by cannedslime »

When does something become a crime against humanity? Is terrorism, like handful of men and women just stabbing random people with kitchen knives on a train station, is that a crime against humanity? What do you do, when a group of people constantly advocate for such crimes?

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by st1x7 »

vkazanov wrote: post #184
st1x7 wrote: post #108

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Most likely. People often forget that before the invasion of Poland in 1939 Germany had already annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia. So even attacks on neighbouring nations had to escalate quite a bit before any action was taken by the UK and France.

Hm. But action were taken, no? Both power mentioned were happy to let Germany eat both austria and Czechoslovakia: see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement The idea was to let Germany fight Soviets in the east, while British and french were hiding behind that fortification line.

I meant actual action. The Munich agreement was just a meeting that allowed Germany to keep things up without making any concessions in return.

From the wikipedia article that you linked:

> Today, the Munich Agreement is widely regarded as a failed act of appeasement, and the term has become "a byword for the futility of appeasing expansionist totalitarian states".

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by cannedslime »

tsjq wrote: post #36

Quite surprised that the Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, et al Global-Islamic-Caliphate forces haven't tried anything at this aggression against Muslims in China.

There has been plenty of aggression from islamist groups, its one of the main reason they are treated like they are. Countless of mass killings on public places, but it only gets mentioned in western media when some american tourist is unlucky enough to perish in an attack. Do you honestly think that china just decided one day to treat these groups like animals, or did they do something to merit that?

Edit: What is up with the down votes? Is this reddit or is this a place where we can actually exchange opinions and world views... What an echo chamber!

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by gedy »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #173
Subsentient wrote: post #168

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Why do we focus on China? Because they're usually doing worse things, and on larger scales, than the West.

They haven't committed crimes on the scale of the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq in the last 50 years.

They did physically invade Vietnam in 1979, whereas the US got involved on one side of a civil war, and never invaded North or South Vietnam. Great Leap Forward induced famines also killed tens of millions of people.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by Synaesthesia »

joelbluminator wrote: post #177
Subsentient wrote: post #171

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There were plenty of disastrous wars, but clearly the US did not intend to commit genocide, and I very much doubt it did, in any war. The same cannot be said for China. Of course, there's the historic case of the native Americans, but again, that's not actively occurring.

Well, everbody thinks they're doing the right thing. U.S was saving Vietnam from communism and later was saving the world from Saddam's WMD or Afghanistans taliban. China is saving their country from civil disintegration and helps create a uniform culture for the greater good. See what I did there?

The Japanese in WW2 were also trying to create an "earthly paradise" in South East Asia.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by onetimemanytime »

tombh wrote: post #131
ASlave2Gravity wrote: post #69

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I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this, but I think there's a massive anti-China narrative on HN. I see so much talk that's based off of people's view from an entirely Western media-centred POV. There's so much more to what's going on. There's a lot of pot calling the kettle black too. There's a lot of good stuff in the TLS from a few weeks back. Han is the cultural race/ethnicity in mainland China. [0] It's about 92%…

> China running the same plays from the playbook written by the Anglosphere war powers Absolutely. All the comments like yours are downvoted. The West doesn't need autocracy to maintain its propaganda, its own citizens do it for them. China is not innocent. But on what basis does the West have any moral authority to judge China's emulation of Western colonialism. I would argue very little. The West has made its bed a…

>>But on what basis does the West have any moral authority to judge China's emulation of Western colonialism.

Our great-great grandfathers beat their wives, thus no one should be able to judge me for doing the same today. Is this your argument?

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by giancarlostoro »

powerapple wrote: post #122
zpeti wrote: post #50

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The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Yeah. Accurate.

Probably because US just shoot them... not many native Americans, and the number of black lives are reducing when you white asses shoot them.

As a minority in America I gotta say this is probably the most racist comment I have seen on HN. There is no need to call anybody out on their genetics. Its almost like people forget that absolutely nobody chooses to be born as a specified skin color or culture. Not every single "white" American is racist. That is more than absurd. Racism exists in other countries as well, we are so quick to forget Rwanda and other genocides.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by wil421 »

scotty79 wrote: post #187
mclightning wrote: post #161

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I'm not sure if we would all feel that safe sharing that sentiment in an internet run by China. West might be failing in a lot of things, but it is best we have.

I'm only posting this because I never intend to visit American soil. Otherwise I wouldn't dare. Because I know that these kinds of messages might be connected to my person and used against me if I ever come in conflict with American enforcement.

How would you know what it was like in America if you’ve never even visited?

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by deesep »

powerapple wrote: post #135
chaostheory wrote: post #67

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As an immigrant who's experienced and seen both countries, yes, and that's with the US's glaring imperfections. We at least are brave enough to openly admit our faults, and it's in our history books and not whitewashed. imo that's a key step. Nothing else is possible if you can't admit that there's a problem, and getting to this step is nearly impossible without free speech In addition to freedom of speech, we also h…

No Iraqi is comparing US to Iraq. I don't understand why there is always a contest between US and China. US is a developed country, and China is a developing country. It is not a beauty contest. Also there does have to be only one winner. Maybe, just maybe, there is no need to mess up another country.

China is the second richest country in the world. It has the most billionaires, and has experienced steady economic growth for decades. It baffles me that people still classify them as a developing nation.
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